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Women’s Guide to NYC Dating
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Somehow, I ended up seeing this article by Richard Florida about the singles scene and it had this really interesting map on it, which got me thinking about supply & demand:
Fortunately for meeeeee, NYC happens to be THE PLACE TO BE with an excess of females to the tune of 210,820 more single women than men! :D
Sucks to be YOU if you live in Los Angeles, where the map indicates there are 89,459 more single men than women. Ah well… C’est La Vie! :D
This is one of the reasons why the stuff I talk about doesn’t apply to everyone. Life just isn’t fair! :D You can’t throw a rock in NYC without… well… you know what I mean… with numbers like that, there are literally tens of thousands of surplus GOOD-LOOKING chicks in this town. And that’s only the women that IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES as single.
So the supply of men here is short, so the demand by women is higher… Or, to think about that another way, there are too many women here for them to gain any leverage. This means that guys in New York get to “act the fool”, and for every woman that decides she’s not going to date you, there are like 3 more within eyeshot that are waiting to meet you as soon as this chick gets out of their way. :D
So… What can the ladies do to improve their chances at scoring a date in NYC?
1) Be a nice person. This isn’t Los Angeles. You’re not in demand. WE are! :D There’s no reason to play the stuck up role or try to ignore a brotha like he just asked you for change so he can get something to eat. If his presentation is proper, and he steps to you respectfully, consider at least acknowledging his presence. Yes… We know he’s trying to have sex with you regardless of what he says, but at least give the guy some credit for being a gentleman about it.
2) Have interesting things to say. A lot of women skate through life on their looks and are never required to be decent people or have a charming, intelligent personality. Separate yourself from the crowd by knowing something about something USEFUL… like football! :D Know something about the stock market or motorcycles or tech gadgets. Come up with SOMETHING so the guy sees you as someone cool and interesting and not just a target. Women are always complaining about being seen as “sex objects”. You know how to avoid that? Show him there’s more he can do with you or talk to you about than sex.
3) Eat when you go out to a restaurant. You know what I mean, too. Not just a salad when you’re sitting there staring at my cheeseburger, “hungry than a mug”. What you eat right now is NOT going to make you look any different. You’re not going to look slimmer with a piece of lettuce at the end of your fork or holding a stalk of celery. It’s already apparent that you like to “get your eat on”, so DO YOU! Go for what you know! Order more than your date does and scarf it down. Get that napkin, tap the corners of your lips and ask him what’s for dessert!
We know damned well that AS SOON AS y’all leave us, you scramble to the nearest restaurant to stuff your faces, so you’re better off keeping it REAL. He’ll respect you for that.
4) Be athletic. Yes, there are lots of guys that like women with no muscle tone. There are also guys that like athletic women. Why is that? Because you can actually DO THINGS WITH THEM! You know why you don’t get invited to the batting cages?… Because YOU CAN’T BAT! Same thing for the Jiu-Jitsu class and when he goes to play roller hockey or ultimate frisbee in the park. This isn’t the 1930’s, with the guys all on the football field and the ladies sitting together in a bunch on a bench under a tree fixing cold cut sandwiches for lunch. Nope. Pick up that football and step on the field. Go for that 5-and-across and burn your date for the winning touchdown! :D Let him know what time it is. Trust me. His friends will buy YOU more beers than they’ll buy for HIM after the game!
5) Last, but certainly not least… Actually, probably the most important…
LOOK GOOD!
Look good. You would be surprised, out of our NYC surplus of 210,820 women, HOW MANY OF THEM schlep around town in an appalling state of disrepair. :( Somebody lied to y’all and told you that you could look like anything and still get raps. Nope. Not THIS day and time, my sistah! If you want to look bad and still get attention, move to L.A. or anywhere with one of those large BLUE dots. NYC isn’t for you. In fact, according to that map, there’s no place for you on the entire Eastern Seaboard. You’d better go visit Prince in Minneapolis! See if he’ll sing you a song or something, ’cause you’re done around these parts.
Don’t worry about whether a guy’s going to buy you a drink at the club… YOU have to worry about GETTING IN the club to begin with. Paying off the bouncer might work… Anyway… Stop being lazy. Accentuate the positive & play down the negative. Stop dressing like a beatnik and carry yourself like the successful businesswoman you are. Stop getting haircuts because you saw it in a magazine if it doesn’t work with YOUR face. Hit that gym on a regular basis. Do whatever you have to do to catch a guy’s eye, because if you don’t…..
There are 210,819 women ready to steal YOUR man. :D
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Love this topic. But, one thing to ask?
“Single” could be “single by choice”. May not mean “eligible” or “available.” Are you saying that ALL those gorgeous women I seen when I lived on the EastCoast were “available”?
But, this article could explain the “Sex in the City” show.
Good point, Derek… about “single by choice”. However, that makes it a guy’s responsibility to make the woman choose HIM over being single.
Also, her being single doesn’t mean a guy can’t get on. It just means you still don’t have a so-called “relationship” with her after doing the deed. :)
As far as “Sex and the City” (the series, not the movie), Carrie’s problem was that she was chasing “Mr. Big” but never realized she was expendable. NYC is the capitol of the planet. :D We probably have women from every single country here, hahaha
It’s one thing for her to get him to mess with her. It’s an entirely different ballgame to try to get him to NOT mess with other chicks. Having money, looks and opportunity, why should he choose?
Hey, the chicks look good in LA LOL.
Odd tho, I get way more raps in NYC than I do in LA. It should be the other way around, right? Maybe the NYC heads sense my Cali glow.
Alas, Bill, I brought sand to the beach when I lived in NJ. I’ll just have to take your words for it. ;-)
Women have to be tougher to live in the east coast than the west. Maybe they like the challange of getting men also.
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Awesome article. It’s a shame though, because I know nobody will use that great advice :)
Thanks Ian. :)
‘Tis true. Around here, the song remains the same. Supply and demand is not in the women’s favor around here, but a lot of them still act like it is. It’s only *their* loss when guys don’t want to kick it with them because of how they carry themselves.
PS – Thanks, Lindsey, for the reblog haha ;)
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For those that troll the internet for fast, easy hook-ups, NYC has by far anything and everything to be had sexually…even depravity. However, for those of us who truly want to find a lasting mate to share life with, relate to, to feel comfortable and safe with, NYC is virtually a cesspool of players, liars and sex exploiters. These men lurk on conventional dating sites as well, not to mention the alternative sex sites that are cropping up all over the place. I had an experience that has left me scarred. We met on a site while he was in LA…started out as long-distance. He explained his desires as being mutual for a long-lasting relationship, mentioning all the niceties that a woman wants to hear. Sharing, similar goals, etc. We chatted every few days, then daily. This went on for 3 months. He was BRITISH, in the fashion business and traveled extensively around the world and seemed sincere. ALOT of text messaging every day…how impersonal. We finally agreed he come to me in Denver. He initiated the conversation about getting tested for STDs. It was too good to be true…we had SO much in common. All seemed glorious. It was VERY clear he had much sexual experience. Another 3 months of daily communicating and I agreed to see him in NYC. When I arrived tho, he seemed extremely nervous. My instincts by this time were becoming louder. I had already experienced the gut feelings and little red flags, but when endorphins take over, the brain gets muddled. That weekend in NYC, I found out purely by accident, he had a daughter in London and he was a fetishist. This was clearly not what I signed up for…so watch out and be safe…lying freaks in NYC are plentiful!
Thanks for the comment, nycmaiden.
I’ve yet to post about “online dating”, because it’s clearly THE WORST! There’s no reason AT ALL someone that types to you on a keyboard or sends text messages to you would necessarily feel any goodwill towards you whatsoever. There’s no real connection between you. Also, there’s no sense of potential loss. If they mess up the rap to you… who cares? They’re kicking it to at least 20 other chicks anyway and whatever pans out pans out.
The best bet in dating is to date people who friends of yours already know. Checks & Balances. That way, if the person’s a jerk, your friends can tell you so off the bat. Also, they’re less likely to cross personal boundaries of yours because besides not getting on with YOU again, they lose face in front of their friends that know you and the rest of their community.
NYC isn’t just a haven for freaks and liars. It’a a haven for ACTORS. There are a lot of people here who try to live into roles that aren’t natural to them. Unfortunately, the only way to tell what’s what is to hang out with someone and find out what they’re really like.
Don’t believe all that you heard
Or half of what you see
It’s a waste of time
To criticize
Don’t De-Rock ME! :D
~Tesla
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Great article, Bill! You’re so right about looks – what a shame people don’t get that if the secret to a great love life, (ahem – correction) to a great life, is going out with an attitude of “What can I give?” not “What’s in it for me?”
So many men & women wait for love by playing the “when/then game” – that’s “When someone gorgeous finds me, THEN I’ll look great.”
It doesn’t work that way – as you beautifully pointed out!
Hope someone listens to ya!
Trev.
Thanks Trevor. :)
hmmmmm… That’s a great concept… “The when/then game”. That totally makes sense.
It also comes into play when people are currently IN relationships and “let themselves go”. They think that when they get back out on the market, they’re the same hot property they were when they got scooped up, but they’ve made it magnitudes tougher on themselves to get people’s attention because they look so horrible now, which is part of the reason they’re getting dumped in the first place. :)
Dude – have you seen this map?
http://www.xoxosoma.com/singles/?n=0&x=9&a=1
It sort of blows away every thing you have said here. I’m not looking to burst your bubble or make you feel bad but I’m curious what your comments are?
In fact the map I added actually was built based on the mistakes of the map you are referring to.
What it says is that all of these women you are talking about being single are actually 45 or older with most of them being in their 60s.
Here are my comments about the interactive map, “Ford”. Thanks. :D
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There may be statistically more women…but, they tend to be fat and butt ugly. What you should do is compare the amount of horny males to actual, good looking, available women. Then, you’ll realize that men clearly out number this group. This city tends to attract very LARGE females. They think that because the buildings are so big that maybe their 250 lb. bodies won’t appear quite so out of place. Also, there are a lot of uneducated males in this city. So, basically you have a very large category of sub human animal species. You’d have to incorporate that into your statistical bin as well. In the end there are very FEW intelligent, good looking males & females. The rest are simply a cess pool of humanity called “New York City”. Oh, you think I’m wrong about this? Ever been to jury duty? How about the INS building? You can look back a million years into some of those faces.
Jett! I have never laughed so hard in my life. I can’t agree completely since I have lived in both the East Village, SoHo/Chinatown border / and now on the UES- they women that walk around all appear to be between 25 and 35 and are super good looking, thin, smart…. it’s endless. However, I still meet tons of women with unrealistic standards who are not very nice. Do you have a blog Jett?!?!?
Hey Jett, E.H…. I could have sworn I already replied to this.
The point isn’t how good looking the women are. Granted, NYC has a very low percentage of good-looking women, but that doesn’t matter because there are so many of them. The market’s virtually flooded.
For this reason, there’s no reason to chase a better-looking chick to try to get something a few weeks from now that a less-attractive chick will do for you right now.
They’re all in competition with each other, which is why “Nice Gals Finish First!” :D
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Bill you won’t get a quality woman in NY that’s for sure… you can’t even spell
First of all, ANONYMOUS PERSON… :D
I’ve never, *EVER* been subjected to a spelling test by a female in my entire life, and I don’t know ANYONE who ever has, so your argument is retarded. :)
Second, please feel free to inform me of anything I’ve misspelled haha Thanks for the free typographical error proofreading.
Third, don’t try to count my Twitter account, because if you see “RT” in front of what I posted, that means I’m only copying what someone else wrote, so I won’t accept ANY responsibility for someone else’s illiteracy. :D
Wow, “never”? Then you haven’t met that many women. :)
How many times have *YOU* been quizzed on spelling by a chick you wanted to bang? Zero. That’s how many. Stop being a clown. :) If you have something relevant to add, do it.
Thanks for the comments :)
Much sooner than later women in NY realize that guys in NY are the lowest on the global totem pole.
Hi Bill,
to add my two cents to this spelling discussion: When I was looking for a dancepartner via the internet, first of all I eliminated all candidates who could not spell properly. One of them spelled the word “jive” like this: “chive”. Deleted his e-mail right away, even though he had the right height and lived nearby. I don’t like to hang out with retarded people.
And one of the things I find attractive about you – even though we have never met and probably never will – is your writing style and the fact that you spell better than most of your commenters.
But then again, I am a geek chick, so my opinion might not be representative….. :-)
Hmm… I heard that both Bill Gates and Kevin Rose were bad spellers. Oh, well.
That’s probably true, Derek :D
However, both Bill Gates (I can’t believe you actually mentioned that OTHER Bill on MY blog! :O hahaha What’s next? Somebody brings up Clinton too?) and Kevin Rose are…. RICH.
The original comment by the troll was that I wouldn’t be able to get a quality woman in NYC (I’ll add the C for them, because they probably don’t realize that NY indicates New York, which means the entire state, including the sticks) because I can’t spell. That’s DOUBLE-RETARDED, because first of all, I spell perfectly well 99.9999999998799% of the time, and second of all, when you meet chicks on the fly that have no access to your Social Media where you’ve spelled things on the net for years, there’s no way they can judge you on your spelling, and I have NEVAR (hehe) been asked by a single chick in my entire life… NOT ONE… whether I can spell or not. However, that’s normally because if a chick wants to know something like that, the first thing she’s going to ask is what school I went to and then when she hears the list, including MIT, she gets the clue that I’m probably smarter than most of the guys she’s messed with in her entire life, so whatever erotic fantasies she had of giving me spelling tests go right out the window.
So, while I see what your argument is.. Nobody cares whether Rose or Gates can spell. However, you DO bring up a very interesting question.. Whether a chick wouldn’t date a rich, popular guy because she read his personal blog and he was functionally illiterate. Like I said to Fishingrod, I (and most guys) have the luxury of not caring whether a chick can spell or not as far as bootie-call status, but a chick isn’t going to get any kind of leadership position with me if I don’t consider her SOMEWHERE CLOSE to my level of intelligence, or at least, if not intelligence, DILIGENCE in school!
Actually, I rather enjoy hanging out with women that I consider to be smarter than I am, or at least more dedicated to something than I am to the degree that they’ve done their studies and research and know way more about that topic than I do. It’s an incredibly different experience from talking to a chick like a bat and watching your voice echo off her face, because she has nothing to say because she didn’t understand anything you’ve said for the last five minutes. :D
@Fishingrod: haha Thanks for the two cents! :D
The thing that’s so stupid about that troll’s statement is that I’m virtually impeccable when it comes to spelling. That’s because I hate dummies just as much as you do. It’s a complete turnoff. It’s like “did you go to school past the first grade?” I just can’t take it.
Yet and still, I was willing to entertain the troll’s comment out of respect for the fact that he or she came to my blog and commented. I know what they’re saying is ridiculous, because percentage-wise, out of all the things I’ve written, my spelling error percentage is ZERO. Also, when I DO make mistakes….. they’re MISTAKES, so if they’re pointed out to me, I’ll thank the person, correct it and hopefully not make the same mistake again. It was clear that that clown was trolling, so I didn’t bother to hand out this explanation.
There are things I misspell intentionally, such as fellaz, but that’s attempting to print slang. That’s spelling words that don’t exist, not misspelling words that do.
The funny thing is, now that you bring up what you said, I hadn’t considered VISUALLY being tested for spelling. You’re absolutely right. I’m sure I’ve been ‘graded’ on my spelling by women that have come here and read my material for the past two years. I do the same thing. If a chick doesn’t know the difference between there & their or who’s and whose or your & you’re, they go right in the mental garbage can as far as dating.
Luckily for me, I’m a guy, so I have the luxury of not giving a damn whether a chick is smart or not as long as she looks good. Women don’t have it that easy, because y’all are (subconsciously or not) looking for guys to have kids with and, by nature, y’all know that it’s better for your kids to inject yourself with intelligent genes instead of producing kids that will most likely be dumber than you currently are. This is why I advocated for y’all to only date guys better than you are.
Dating Dummies is a major mistake, however, for guys as well. It all depends on how much you’re going to depend on her to do ANYTHING other than cook and have sex. Same thing goes for dating liars. I’m going to get into this at length, probably next week, because I’ve been working on a project recently that got its delivery date pushed up HALF A MONTH, and I should finally be done with it later tonight, so I can get back to writing.
So, Fishingrod.. Thanks to your INTELLIGENT comments about the topic, I have a new topic to write about.. “Are you being tested via your Social Media?”.
Thank You! :D
For such a surplus of women in NYC they certainly not the friendliest human beings around. If you dont work with them they really dont want to be bothered with you. I dont see them being very attractive either. Go to other big cities and youll see alot more attractive women whom you have a better shot at.
Absolutely true, Joe.. On both counts! :D
NYC doesn’t have a high PERCENTAGE of attractive women… It’s just that with MILLIONS of women in this area, even a low percentage of hawt chicks is going to yield an infinite supply… Especially when you add in migrants and tourists.
They’re not friendly because they don’t see any need to be. They’re all hanging on to this pipe dream of landing this incredible guy that actually doesn’t exist en masse in NYC. If you don’t appear to live up to those standards in their estimation, you “gets no love” from them.
Having said that, they’re also not friendly because guys are trying to kick it to them all day every day. By the time you try to talk to them as a nice guy, a thousand other guys have already approached them with the “nice guy” style and eventually revealed that they were mainly trying to get laid. NYC Chicks have too many interactions like this and eventually don’t want to hear JACK from ANY guys at all.. Unless, like you said, you work with them or they know you through other people.
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I don’t really agree with the article. I moved from San Francisco / the Bay Area, and although I was considered in the top 5% attractiveness there, the guys were way too scared or geeky or gay to ask women out. I get hit on/asked out in NYC WAY more often than in SF, even though there are a lot more women that are as attractive or more attractive than me. I have had no shortage of dates here, it’s a nice change — I actually think there’s a lot more guys here and the high quality girls pretty much get their pick of fairly attractive, successful, aggressive men. Interesting viewpoints though from your side — my girlfriends actually agree with me.
Hello again, Sophia. Two interesting responses in a row! Thanks. :D
In your other comment, you said (about offering to share payment for a date) I’ve had someone tell me, “You don’t even need to offer, I’m surprised you did, you’re pretty enough not to.”
This means that you are a part of the PROBLEM and not the solution. You’re on the other team. You’re one of the reasons why regular-looking chicks in this town don’t have any pull.
The ‘problem’ with a guy saying “You’re Pretty Enough To XYZ” is that if a chick ISN’T THAT PRETTY, he’s going to treat her differently. That’s my point. There are too many women here, so by sheer numbers, not percentages, there are too many good-looking women here so the only way for other women to overcome that is personality and being more of a worthwhile human being than the chick that looks great and is dumb as a box of rocks.
Also, look what you just said: “The High Quality Girls pretty much get their pick of fairly attractive, successful, aggressive men”. That’s absolutely right. And then the other 80% of the women get what? O_o …………. See what I mean? You’re part of what the average NYC women has to overcome. All the guys at the bar are walking past her to kick it to YOU! You’re not on her team. You don’t get to speak for her. :D
High Quality Girls can get anything they want because guys want to hook up with you. Period. Go do a “Shallow Hal” experiment. Do your best to make yourself look busted and then go out on the town and see what happens for you. :D
Attractive people get more stuff. That’s how life works. What I’m talking about here is the women that don’t realize they’re in the middle of the pack instead of at the top. They’re wondering why guys don’t kick it to them and it’s because those dudes are too busy running around after you and your girlfriends.
Look around next time you go out and see if there aren’t 3-5 guys surrounding ONE good-looking chick and meanwhile, a pack of mediocre chicks standing there talking amongst themselves. Look in the restaurants and see if you don’t see packs of chicks eating together with no men in sight. Walk down the street and see if you don’t see packs of women shuffling around aimlessly.
None of these gals are going to overpower High Quality Females with looks, so their only chance is to do the best they can, visually, and make up the difference with a stellar personality that makes guys want to spend time with THEM again instead of taking his chances that he might pull a hotter chick next time he goes out.
Well, what I’ve found is that every guy has a sort of bar of attractiveness and if you are above it, you’re golden. So if his bar is an 8 for a relationship and you’re a 10, well, great. But you’re also good if you’re an 8 or a 9. But below that? It doesn’t matter if you’re mother theresa & rachel ray rolled into one, he’s not going to be interested. So I’m not sure how a girl is supposed to overcome that bar using her personality to get guys initially attracted to them (but I haven’t read the rest of your articles so maybe you have some good strategies, I don’t know).
But I mean, of course guys aren’t just looking at your attractiveness. Once you pass that bar, the 8 and the 10 are essentially the same and the guy uses other things to evaluate how good you are on the relationship front: intelligence, character, etc. But being a 10 gives you more options (more guys that are initially interested) than being a 5, for example. And I think if the guy was pretty off in relation to a hot girl, he’d most likely put up with a lot of crap from her because she was further up the scale (like a 5 guy overall — looks, confidence, status, etc — dating a 9 girl). I think I’m pretty right on this, correct me though if you think I’m off.
I think one thing a lot of women are missing in this city is femininity, in my humble opinion. I am just as career-oriented as anyone else, but you have to turn that aggressiveness down a notch sometimes.
I also think sometimes women don’t understand why they don’t have relationships with the men they want because they evaluate their potential by their hookups. A 5 woman can try for a 9 man, and in the casual sex game, she can land him. She will not land him for a relationship. I’m not sure but I think a lot of 5 women can land 90% of the men out there for something really casual. This leads them to inflate their own value in the dating market.
The vision is likely a lot clearer for you guys. You all want the 9s, but it’s a rare woman who will date significantly downward. Not a lot of gray area there, so guys know what they’re “worth” in a more concrete way.
That is to say I think a lot of women have a real problem with the cognitive dissonance of being desired sexually by just about every man, but only being relationship material with a small percentage. I think men’s standards for casual sex are quite low but they get pretty damn picky when it comes to relationships.
I have girlfriends that are like this — even extremely hot ones that you could classify as 10s. They’re hooking up with the best guy in New York or whatever, he’s got all the bells & whistles (smart, good looking, charismatic, wealthy, interesting, etc), and she doesn’t realize that since he is that good, why does he just want to be with her (ie, he’s priced out of the market for a relationship entirely)? The answer is that he doesn’t — he’s got Tiger Woods syndrome but is smart enough to realize he shouldn’t get tied down until he’s ready.
This would get me killed if I were to talk about it with my friends, who like deluding themselves, but do you think I’m right?
I can’t believe I’m still posting, I need to go to sleep, but the last thing I wanted to say is that the more attractive girls don’t necessarily have it easier. The same dating issues & anxiety still happens to attractive girls, it just happens with different guys. Instead of average Joe bartender, it’s average Joe investment banker or CEO.
The game where girls get left after they have sex happens more often to more attractive girls, because there’s much more chance that that’s all the guy was interested in in the first place. They also are more likely to get the assholes who think they’re entitled to everything under god’s green earth hitting on them (these guys are also very manipulative & charming, they pretend to be nice at first). Attractive girls get screwed over just as much, if not more, than unattractive girls if you don’t know how to play the game.
Sophia,
I agree entirely with your “bar of attractiveness” idea. If a chick doesn’t have the right look, she doesn’t show up on the radar at all.
My only tactic for less-attractive females is to be introduced through friends. You’re right that they can’t go to a bar and “Mother Teresa” their way into a guy being interested in them.
Basically, they have to act like dudes and back-door their way in. Guys become friends with girls that are “out of their league”, hoping to make their mark on her and have her see that even though he’s a 5, he’s funny and he has a kind heart and excellent earning potential… Sometimes, those guys get lucky and score a date or even a girlfriend out of the situation.
That’s my point for women in this town. There are too many women that look just like you or better than you and guys are going to be all over them just like they’re all over you, if not more so. The differentiator’s going to be your way of being, not your looks, and CERTAINLY not scarcity of females in NYC like you might enjoy in the sticks, where you, Suzie Mae and Betty Jean are the only three attractive chicks for the entire male population to select from.
As you’ve said.. Being a 10 definitely gives you more options AND makes you way more of a target. I may never forget this one time I saw this dude with this chick and I was like WOW!!! I *KNOW* HE PAID FOR *THAT*!!! :D haha I mean the chick was clearly at least an escort and probably an actual hooker.
The reason I mention that is that top-level chicks are seen as hard to hold, because guys are always going to be coming after your girl and there’s no reason for her to turn down free stuff from every single guy that wants to do something for her, buy her something or take her somewhere. Chicks like that, you have fun with them while you can afford it and then when you can’t, it’s over and it’s good memories.. not meaning hookers, meaning insanely-attractive gals that are eventually going to sell out for something more than you’re offering them.
As far as the guy being a 5 and trying to pull a 9, that’s where money comes in. Guys can offset their looks with perks. Cars, Apartments, Yachts, Money.. So long as you can still afford her and she’s the type of chick to give it up for money, you’re in there like Belvedere. And, Yes.. He would put up with a ton of garbage from her because nobody cares what she thinks, so long as he can still enjoy her physically & visually. It’s part of the payments for her services, like the actual money and gifts.
Of course women are missing femininity here. Society has spent the last X years trying to turn women into men (as well as men into women, but that’s a different topic), so nobody’s teaching women how to be LADIES! O_o
That’s actually another thing that will get a woman ahead in the game here.. That she enjoys being a woman and not some wannabe-dude. That’s one of the reasons why corporate chicks lose their boyfriends to minimum-wage burger-flipping females. The McDonald’s chick is bringing way more to the table visually, sensually and sexually. You can’t defeat that with a degree from a good college and massive earning potential.
I also agree with you that women tend to confuse hookups with beginnings of relationships. If he hit it, it’s because he felt like hittin’ it. It doesn’t mean he thinks anything of you as a person AT ALL, much less considering you to be his girlfriend, fiancee or wife. It also doesn’t mean you’re the only girl he had sex with this week or the only girl he had sex with TODAY.
I’ll also paraphrase one of your topics as “Women have a problem with being able to see themselves objectively with regard to their looks”. I find this amazing when I watch The Maury Show and there’s a girl sitting there that’s obviously a 2, if not a 1, and then she’s shocked and amazed to find out her man’s ******* other girls as often as humanly possible. Absolutely Amazing! :D
It’s like basically, unless the guy’s actually into you in particular, the only girls you can block are the ones LESS ATTRACTIVE THAN YOU ARE. You can’t even block equally-attractive girls like your twin sister. If your moms looks good, hide her too. :)
But yeah.. They completely overestimate their value in the dating market. You might be a pitcher for The Yankees, but that doesn’t make you the ONLY pitcher for The Yankees. That doesn’t even make you the BEST pitcher for The Yankees. Unfortunately, women are easily faked out by guys telling them that they’re in exclusive, monogamous relationships with them. It’s best for the gals’ egos to believe the guy’s telling the truth. It’s also best for her ego if she believes that her sex is better than the next woman’s and that she’s somehow got her man sprung and riding her bra strap.
Agreed that there’s no reason for women to date significantly downward, because the more attractive a gal is, the more stuff’s going to be thrown at her by every guy that sees her. As you pointed out, they’re not courting her for a romantic relationship.. They see some azz they’d like to tap, and they’re willing to pay whatever the cost is to make that happen. Unfortunately for hotter women, they’re seen as outside of the price range of a lot of nice guys and that just leaves the Hunters to come after them and see what they can do.
Overall, the deal is that there’s no reason whatsoever for a guy to be in a “relationship” unless he’s looking for a wife. If he IS looking for a wife, he’s going to attempt to select an extraordinary female, looks-wise AND personality-wise. Chicks that are below his visual bar don’t even count as chicks unless they can somehow become introduced to this guy and show him that they’re viable candidates and make up for their lack of looks in other ways.
The major mistake women make on this topic is that they think guys are looking for girlfriends to begin with. What do you need a girlfriend for if you have charisma and live in a town with literally a million females in it? So guys here are basically looking to have a good time and hook up with chicks. There are more girls in the next booth over. There are more girls in the bar next door. There are more girls in the pizza shop on the corner. There are more girls in the subway. There are more girls tomorrow and the day after that…
That’s why y’all have to depend on something other than looks if you want a guy to remember you and consider you a viable candidate *IF* he decides he wants a girlfriend at all.
Great, I agree with everything you agreed with :)
Now I’m wondering what the best way is for a girl to get feedback on what she could improve about her appearance. I think a lot of guys can identify what they like, but how do you get them to tell you what you should be doing if you’re not (if they even know), or even to be honest with you in the first place?
I’m always trying to improve, and I’m wondering how you can go about getting some real feedback about things you can change (no stuff like your eyes are too close together or your torso is short, for example). But I’m talking hairstyle, body, clothing, accessories, makeup, etc. What do you recommend?