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Women’s Guide to NYC Dating
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Somehow, I ended up seeing this article by Richard Florida about the singles scene and it had this really interesting map on it, which got me thinking about supply & demand:
Fortunately for meeeeee, NYC happens to be THE PLACE TO BE with an excess of females to the tune of 210,820 more single women than men! :D
Sucks to be YOU if you live in Los Angeles, where the map indicates there are 89,459 more single men than women. Ah well… C’est La Vie! :D
This is one of the reasons why the stuff I talk about doesn’t apply to everyone. Life just isn’t fair! :D You can’t throw a rock in NYC without… well… you know what I mean… with numbers like that, there are literally tens of thousands of surplus GOOD-LOOKING chicks in this town. And that’s only the women that IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES as single.
So the supply of men here is short, so the demand by women is higher… Or, to think about that another way, there are too many women here for them to gain any leverage. This means that guys in New York get to “act the fool”, and for every woman that decides she’s not going to date you, there are like 3 more within eyeshot that are waiting to meet you as soon as this chick gets out of their way. :D
So… What can the ladies do to improve their chances at scoring a date in NYC?
1) Be a nice person. This isn’t Los Angeles. You’re not in demand. WE are! :D There’s no reason to play the stuck up role or try to ignore a brotha like he just asked you for change so he can get something to eat. If his presentation is proper, and he steps to you respectfully, consider at least acknowledging his presence. Yes… We know he’s trying to have sex with you regardless of what he says, but at least give the guy some credit for being a gentleman about it.
2) Have interesting things to say. A lot of women skate through life on their looks and are never required to be decent people or have a charming, intelligent personality. Separate yourself from the crowd by knowing something about something USEFUL… like football! :D Know something about the stock market or motorcycles or tech gadgets. Come up with SOMETHING so the guy sees you as someone cool and interesting and not just a target. Women are always complaining about being seen as “sex objects”. You know how to avoid that? Show him there’s more he can do with you or talk to you about than sex.
3) Eat when you go out to a restaurant. You know what I mean, too. Not just a salad when you’re sitting there staring at my cheeseburger, “hungry than a mug”. What you eat right now is NOT going to make you look any different. You’re not going to look slimmer with a piece of lettuce at the end of your fork or holding a stalk of celery. It’s already apparent that you like to “get your eat on”, so DO YOU! Go for what you know! Order more than your date does and scarf it down. Get that napkin, tap the corners of your lips and ask him what’s for dessert!
We know damned well that AS SOON AS y’all leave us, you scramble to the nearest restaurant to stuff your faces, so you’re better off keeping it REAL. He’ll respect you for that.
4) Be athletic. Yes, there are lots of guys that like women with no muscle tone. There are also guys that like athletic women. Why is that? Because you can actually DO THINGS WITH THEM! You know why you don’t get invited to the batting cages?… Because YOU CAN’T BAT! Same thing for the Jiu-Jitsu class and when he goes to play roller hockey or ultimate frisbee in the park. This isn’t the 1930′s, with the guys all on the football field and the ladies sitting together in a bunch on a bench under a tree fixing cold cut sandwiches for lunch. Nope. Pick up that football and step on the field. Go for that 5-and-across and burn your date for the winning touchdown! :D Let him know what time it is. Trust me. His friends will buy YOU more beers than they’ll buy for HIM after the game!
5) Last, but certainly not least… Actually, probably the most important…
LOOK GOOD!
Look good. You would be surprised, out of our NYC surplus of 210,820 women, HOW MANY OF THEM schlep around town in an appalling state of disrepair. :( Somebody lied to y’all and told you that you could look like anything and still get raps. Nope. Not THIS day and time, my sistah! If you want to look bad and still get attention, move to L.A. or anywhere with one of those large BLUE dots. NYC isn’t for you. In fact, according to that map, there’s no place for you on the entire Eastern Seaboard. You’d better go visit Prince in Minneapolis! See if he’ll sing you a song or something, ’cause you’re done around these parts.
Don’t worry about whether a guy’s going to buy you a drink at the club… YOU have to worry about GETTING IN the club to begin with. Paying off the bouncer might work… Anyway… Stop being lazy. Accentuate the positive & play down the negative. Stop dressing like a beatnik and carry yourself like the successful businesswoman you are. Stop getting haircuts because you saw it in a magazine if it doesn’t work with YOUR face. Hit that gym on a regular basis. Do whatever you have to do to catch a guy’s eye, because if you don’t…..
There are 210,819 women ready to steal YOUR man. :D
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Love this topic. But, one thing to ask?
“Single” could be “single by choice”. May not mean “eligible” or “available.” Are you saying that ALL those gorgeous women I seen when I lived on the EastCoast were “available”?
But, this article could explain the “Sex in the City” show.
Good point, Derek… about “single by choice”. However, that makes it a guy’s responsibility to make the woman choose HIM over being single.
Also, her being single doesn’t mean a guy can’t get on. It just means you still don’t have a so-called “relationship” with her after doing the deed. :)
As far as “Sex and the City” (the series, not the movie), Carrie’s problem was that she was chasing “Mr. Big” but never realized she was expendable. NYC is the capitol of the planet. :D We probably have women from every single country here, hahaha
It’s one thing for her to get him to mess with her. It’s an entirely different ballgame to try to get him to NOT mess with other chicks. Having money, looks and opportunity, why should he choose?
Hey, the chicks look good in LA LOL.
Odd tho, I get way more raps in NYC than I do in LA. It should be the other way around, right? Maybe the NYC heads sense my Cali glow.
Alas, Bill, I brought sand to the beach when I lived in NJ. I’ll just have to take your words for it. ;-)
Women have to be tougher to live in the east coast than the west. Maybe they like the challange of getting men also.
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Awesome article. It’s a shame though, because I know nobody will use that great advice :)
Thanks Ian. :)
‘Tis true. Around here, the song remains the same. Supply and demand is not in the women’s favor around here, but a lot of them still act like it is. It’s only *their* loss when guys don’t want to kick it with them because of how they carry themselves.
PS – Thanks, Lindsey, for the reblog haha ;)
alot of us act like it is perhaps, because we know we deserve better than what is out here. Is that a tone of resentment and ego that I detect, dear writer?
Fascinating question, Susan. :)
Resentment about what?.. My point is that I’m the beneficiary of the guy-to-girl ratio in this town. My point is that I never have to deal with females’ lame attitudes because I just eject them and hang out with other gals. My point is that the only women I remain in contact with are those that I’ve found to be worthwhile, personality-wise. So there’s nothing for The Kid to be resentful about because I’m gaining nothing but benefits from this situation.
As far as Ego, I don’t think it’s egotistical to say that women miss out on spending time with the FEW better guys in this town because their personalities don’t pass muster. There are lots of lesser guys that are willing to deal with attitudes and jerk-like behavior so they can get laid.
The point to this entire article is that if you come here (or, in your case, were born here) and think that you’re going to have some fantastic dating life because you’re hawt, it’s just not the truth. There are millions of women in this town, meaning there are hundreds of thousands of attractive women and all a guy really needs is ONE. The odds are stacked against you from the giddyap, so what I’m tellin’ y’all is that the meek shall inherit the Earth, OR, those women with deserving personalities will receive the best attention from the best men.
Unfortunately, the television show “the Real Housewives of New York City” makes it seem like a gal can be a jerk and some rich dude that isn’t actually attracted to women will marry you, pop out a couple of kids and send you on vacations around the world. I would say that’s NOT the model to attempt to emulate and the odds of a situation like that working out are a longshot at best.
“Unfortunately, the television show “the Real Housewives of New York City” makes it seem like a gal can be a jerk and some rich dude that isn’t actually attracted to women will marry you, pop out a couple of kids and send you on vacations around the world. I would say that’s NOT the model to attempt to emulate and the odds of a situation like that working out are a longshot at best.”
You know, the longer I am here, the more I realize that what you say is true for certain circles / parts of NYC and completely not for others. I have befriended a bunch of women in that upper class set (we’re talking multi-million dollar tribeca lofts, houses in the hamptons, etc) at my gym because I just like people & am a good listener. It’s quite interesting how many of them are not that attractive, don’t have great bodies, and don’t have really cool personalities.
What they do have is the attitude I mentioned before — they honestly believe they’re amazing, either because they were raised to know that or because of the school they attended, or whatever. ALL of these women are married to very successful men, and I think they do it just by being in the same social circles as the guys and believing they deserve their attentions. After all, how many investment bankers or truly rich men marry supermodels or actresses? There are some, but it’s not the norm. Most of these very powerful men select for a wife a woman who is much plainer than that, so it’s definitely not just a looks thing. From my interactions at the gym, it’s not a personality thing either.
I appreciate that comment, Sophia. I’m definitely not trying to convince anyone here of anything.. Just trying to explain how I see things so y’all can gain a different perspective on the scene, whether you believe what I’m saying or not and whether you believe that anyone else thinks anywhere near the way I describe things.
You bring up an excellent point about that tRHoNYC-esque set. I’m watching the show, and I’m thinking “THAT chick is not good-looking”, “THAT chick does not have a good body”, “THAT chick had too much plastic surgery done and looks ridiculous, “THAT chick acts like a ******* small child or baby”, “THAT chick is a brat”, “THAT chick is a two-faced LIAR that will say whatever she has to say to appear middle-of-the-road and then turn around and talk yang behind everyone’s back”, on and on and on and on and on and I had never considered what the common denominator might have been. I think you JUST hit on it right THURRRR. :D
I don’t know rich guys. I grew up with poor guys, like *BROKE*, like so broke that some of their PARENTS were on welfare, broke. That’s why it’s so easy for me to borrow dude’s chicks on a $0 budget. I’m part of a set of dudes that has ALWAYS gotten chicks for free. I don’t respect the Game of any dudes that get chicks using money, cars, fancy clothes or any other gimmicks. I consider that cheating, and they’re not pulling chicks by their own natural charisma.
You’re right in what you said in another comment about my not having any particular long-term use for a chick. I bring that up because that’s one of the things (along with not actually hanging out with anyone rich) that blocked me from being able to see what you just mentioned.
When I watch these shows, I’m like “WHY would someone keep a chick like THIS? \o/”. The now-obvious answer is that she has the requisite air about her to qualify for the position of “Wife”. If there’s one thing that they all have in common, it’s just what you said.. They ACT like they FEEL like they’re important. They act like they EXPECT you to RESPECT them. This has GOT to be a very important consideration for rich guys because they can’t afford to tarnish their family’s name by selecting the wrong woman to align themselves with AND to create more children bearing the family name.
I can see, NOW.. That a chick being a jerk could easily be an external indication of what she feels her place is in society. This would be critical for when he introduces her to friends of his. This whole thing is SO FASCINATING!!! :D
I do the same thing, to a degree. There are chicks that I won’t take ANYWHERE. AT. ALL. because I know they’re gonna “Show Their Ass” sooner rather than later and embarrass me for having introduced them to friends of mine. ‘Matter of fact, they’re basically ghosts. They don’t show up in my Social Media AT ALL and if you looked through my > 1,000 Facebook pictures, you’d think I didn’t even know them.
However.. As you mentioned, this Jackass Technique will only work with guys that need a woman to have that jackass quality about her in order to qualify for his consideration. It often backfires when it’s used against other types of guys and becomes “I just wanna BANG this broad because she’s such a bitch! >:D”. Unfortunately for y’all, this mentality leads to the guy being NICER to y’all instead of meaner, specifically so he can get to the Bang The Broad part.
So yes.. I can see “having an air of self-importance” being very useful to rich guys that are striving to select a wife, but you can be self-important without being a jerk. :) Refusing to be disrespected and insisting on being treated the way you feel you should is really good enough.
The problem in the Average Joe situations, IMO, is that they’re not equipped to deal with those kinds of attitudes like it’s a positive thing. It’s going to be seen as nagging. Just about the only positive feature of that that I can guesstimate is that a guy might feel proud of himself for pulling a chick that was so “High & Mighty”. It’s like out of all the other guys that tried to get this sparkling gem of a female, he’s the only one that gets to stick it (so far as he knows).
The way I see things, the Average Jane is WAY better off coming to the table as a cool, calm, collected, intelligent, witty, fun, knowledgeable, USEFUL human being. That way, even if she doesn’t get the nod to become a “date”, she’ll still get the recommendation if there’s another guy he knows that’s looking for a girl. She’ll still get the invite to tag along to parties and meet as many guys as she wants while she’s hanging out with him. She also gets to stay in the pocket (like a football quarterback) longer and potentially express what her merits are as far as why he should give her a chance to move up the hierarchy / totem pole.
There are way too many girls around here that are just as attractive as the three girls they’re standing next to for average guys to want to put up with attitudes for more than the split second it takes them to detect it. If she’s FOYINE!!!, haha you know how THAT goes! \o/ He’s gonna tough it out as long as he can to see if he gets some, but given twins, for example, and one’s a jerk and the other one’s pleasant company, I think the pleasant one has the better chance every time of attracting a guy that’s looking for a quality woman.
“However.. As you mentioned, this Jackass Technique will only work with guys that need a woman to have that jackass quality about her in order to qualify for his consideration.”
These women aren’t jackasses. I don’t remember saying anything about that. Some are (like the ones on tv) I’m sure, and some aren’t. The common denominator isn’t being a bitch, it’s having self-confidence to know how they expect to be treated and demand only that treatment. Some have grown up with it and some have acquired the taste for it, I’m sure. They believe they’re worth trips to Cannes & platinum/diamonds and so they get it.
“The problem in the Average Joe situations, IMO, is that they’re not equipped to deal with those kinds of attitudes like it’s a positive thing. It’s going to be seen as nagging. Just about the only positive feature of that that I can guesstimate is that a guy might feel proud of himself for pulling a chick that was so “High & Mighty”. It’s like out of all the other guys that tried to get this sparkling gem of a female, he’s the only one that gets to stick it (so far as he knows).”
Nagging? How does high self esteem somehow translate into nagging? And I think it also works on regular guys too. My plain friend that I wrote about in the post “unattractive women” does great with the normal guys (they’re more normal-ish because we’re all pretty young — lawyers, investment bankers, etc) just by having this self-confident attitude. In any case, women shouldn’t be aiming for average joe. That’s my point. Women who truly have great self-confidence don’t get average men, they get amazing men. My plain friend proves this: she dates several levels above what she could normally get with her self-confidence alone. There’s something like this in the pickup world for the guys: your frame has to be stronger than the woman’s and she has to accept your view of the world. I think that’s something like what happens with my plain friend.
Average Joe can’t handle a truly self-confident woman. Average Joe couldn’t date me, for example (on most days, I have my off days too). I’d eat him alive before breakfast — he’d subconsciously feel how I felt about myself and be very insecure all the time.
One thing I don’t like about this advice on the blog in general is it’s very defeatist for women — it’s like saying “the cards are stacked against you, so be perfect or else men are going to leave you for the next hottest thing.” Guess what? If you believe that, you’re going to be constantly insecure and that’s exactly what’s going to happen. However, if you spend some of that time you would’ve spent trying to be perfect on believing you’re perfect, it seems like you get results.
The women I’ve seen at my gym know what’s up — they’re bitchy or needy or whatever, definitely not perfect, but the guys put up with it because they really, really like themselves. They think he’s not going to do better elsewhere and so he believes it too.
Everyone knows that guy who has a horrible girlfriend and everyone’s like, why does he put up with it? What does he see in her? She’s not even that cute. She really likes herself, that’s why he puts up with it. It usually falls apart when he discovers she’s been faking her self-esteem. Otherwise, these guys marry those girls.
I addressed this *directly* in the same reply you’re replying to when I said “So yes.. I can see “having an air of self-importance” being very useful to rich guys that are striving to select a wife, but you can be self-important without being a jerk. :) Refusing to be disrespected and insisting on being treated the way you feel you should is really good enough.”
I see where you’re coming from that you’re saying “confidence” is the key factor, but I’m saying it has to be more than that. Not necessarily being a jerk. I think being a brat is a byproduct of having power without empathy. Here’s an example from the show..
This countess chick was introduced to a limo driver. The guy reaches out to shake her hand and she refuses to touch him. She later explains something to the effect of countesses don’t shake hands with the help, or car drivers or whatever she explained.
To her, that’s an example of her maintaining her position and breeding. To me, that’s being conceited or “stuck up”.
Similarly, if I go to a party, I’m not likely to approach a female that I perceive to be unattractive. That’s not really by CHOICE, but rather because it naturally doesn’t occur to me. To some people, that’s being conceited or “stuck up”.
So.. If I were to accept your “confidence” theory, there are a lot more confident women that would be married or in satisfying relationships. That’s why I believe (with the limited amount of thought I’ve given the concept since YOU brought it to my attention yesterday) that it has to be a level of defensiveness of position. How embarrassed would you be as a count to find out that your woman shook hands with the lowly car driver? :O
This is one of the MYRIAD reasons guys don’t want to date women that they perceive as hoes. They think that a woman getting around sexually before she has any verbal commitments with a guy to be faithful to him negates her mental ability to honor an agreement she makes with him to be his girlfriend or wife and stop hooking up with other guys.
I’m saying that there has to be some kind of expectation of these rich wives OTHER than them having self-confidence because she has to be a representative of himself AND his family name. I have to assume that she has to have not only an air of confidence, but also something internally aggressive that indicates that she’s not going to fold under pressure.
The *one* thing I can give all those tRHoNYC ladies is that they strive incessantly to keep up appearances. Whether they’re clearly right, wrong or NUTSO, they hold the line and act as if they’re right and whomever else is wrong. Meanwhile, if you scroll back through the seasons, there are instances of at least three of the husbands talking to their wives using baby-talk because they’re running their mouths about nothing and he knows it and she doesn’t. It’s some kind of relationship issue where they form a unit and part of her job description is to carry herself a certain way towards the public and know whose hand to shake and who to turn their nose up at.
Aside from that, I see what you’re saying about the women knowing what they’re “worth” and getting it. I agree with that for ANYONE. :) If you know what you’re worth and you can get it, nice life! :D If you know what you’re worth and can’t get it, lower your standards or become OK with being single. If you don’t know what you’re worth, figure it out.
High Self-Esteem does *NOT* translate into nagging. I was talking about being a jerk because nobody ever told these chicks to calm down and kept trying to buy them so they feel entitled to everything under the Sun.
A couple of points about your “plain” friend. She might exude sensuality or sexuality, like Christine mentioned somewhere yesterday. She might also be clearly down for sex, which is going to get her a lot more raps. She might not be in the best physical shape, but might have a proportion that turns guys on and energizes them when they’re around her. There are a million things that might explain your “plain” friend getting raps. OTOH, she might be as plain as you say, and her personality’s winning the situations for her.
wow. That’s deep right THURRRR. :) There goes the 80/20! (80% of the women trying to hook up with the top 20% of the men, and vice versa). Now if you want to hear about guys getting UPSET over the dating scene, THAT’S what’s going to make them mad! :D
I addressed that in http://billcammack.com/2008/02/17/life-isnt-fair/ , that guys aren’t ENTITLED to girlfriends or really anything at all. \o/ You’re right that the same way guys want to kick it to the hawtest chicks, women should be going for the top guys they can get their hands on, pull & retain. “Retaining” being the toughest part, of course.
Excellent points that Average Joe is intimidated by self-confident women. That’s because men like to feel “better” than their girlfriends and that’s tough to do when she’s taller than you, makes more money than you, is better at Jiu-Jitsu than you, hahaha :D Women that feel superior should aim at hooking up with superior men.
I can almost agree with your assessment. My point to women is that getting a guy to have sex with her is easy. Getting him to put her on the roster of his several girlfriends isn’t very tough if she’s bringing quality to the table. Getting him to cease & desist with all his other girls and commit to her is incredibly tough and if women go into this with the fairytale notion that there’s someone for everyone, they’ll end up with a man by sheer luck. They will also lose that man as inexplicably as they corralled him.
Personally, I know how stacked the deck is AGAINST women achieving what they want, especially in the saturated NYC market where there are packs of 3 and 4 women hanging out by themselves doing nothing in the streets between restaurants & bars. That’s my whole point. The Game isn’t what you think it is and it’s CERTAINLY not what you were told about in your childhood fairy tales.
Do the right people meet the right people? Sometimes.. And it’s magical and fortunate and lovely when that happens. Other times, it’s people making do with what’s available to them.. Dating the best person they know at the time.. Dating people they know they’re not going to any higher levels with.
Everybody tries to treat their relationships like they’re equal and they’re not. One person’s definition of “I have a girlfriend” is that there’s a chick he has sex with every other week and doesn’t see much other than that. Someone else’s version is that he spends every other day with a gal and never has sex with her at all.
As much confidence as a woman has, if she never goes to the right places where the type of men she wants to meet congregate, it’ll be PURE LUCK if she meets someone she’s naturally compatible with. While she’s banking on fate, there are chicks doing what needs to be done to get the attention of the same guys she’s hoping are going to fall into her lap.
I’m not saying that women need to be perfect.. I’m saying that women need to recognize that some guys buy wedding bands and put them on their fingers WITHOUT. BEING. MARRIED. EVAR. because they know that some chicks are mentally wired to throw sex at married guys. I’m saying that there are processes that are working against you that you don’t even understand.
In a perfect world.. In MY perfect world, there WOULD be someone for everyone and people would be able to attain and retain whatever format of relationship that they wanted in life….. Being that that’s not the case, you either recognize The Game or you don’t and you either come equipped or take your chances with self-preparation and pot luck whether what you want is ever going to happen for you at all.
PS – Guys put up with horrible girlfriends because they like the head.
This countess chick was introduced to a limo driver. The guy reaches out to shake her hand and she refuses to touch him. She later explains something to the effect of countesses don’t shake hands with the help, or car drivers or whatever she explained.
That woman is an exception rather than the rule — and the other women on the show hate her for her behavior. Again, this isn’t something that defines these women. It’s an individual personality trait. You actually have watched the show, right? They’re always getting on the countess for her definitions of “class” since most of them don’t subscribe to it.
“So.. If I were to accept your “confidence” theory, there are a lot more confident women that would be married or in satisfying relationships. That’s why I believe (with the limited amount of thought I’ve given the concept since YOU brought it to my attention yesterday) that it has to be a level of defensiveness of position.”
There aren’t a lot of confident people in general, and there are even less truly confident women for a variety of reasons: society pressures us to be “modest” and downplay our achievements, media makes everyone insecure unless they are 6’0 and 100 pounds and 20 years old, and because women’s main method of getting men is attractiveness, there’s not much they can do if they are born ugly (as opposed to a man, who can just make more money or get more status in another way).
“Part of her job description is to carry herself a certain way towards the public and know whose hand to shake and who to turn their nose up at.”
Obviously. Much of the upper class is about exclusion from the group. But it’s like this everywhere. Everyone is like this at some level — men don’t seek women for relationships who they think are unattractive and women don’t date below their level either. You were talking about women who you won’t take anywhere because they’ll show their ass or whatever. Same thing.
“If you know what you’re worth and can’t get it, lower your standards or become OK with being single.”
I don’t think this happens to most people who truly believe in what they’re worth.
“A couple of points about your “plain” friend. She might exude sensuality or sexuality, like Christine mentioned somewhere yesterday. She might also be clearly down for sex, which is going to get her a lot more raps. She might not be in the best physical shape, but might have a proportion that turns guys on and energizes them when they’re around her. There are a million things that might explain your “plain” friend getting raps. OTOH, she might be as plain as you say, and her personality’s winning the situations for her.”
None of those things are true. She doesn’t have sex outside a committed relationship & she exudes fun much more than sexuality. I’m aware enough to know the difference. She also has a body type that I’ve never really seen most white guys go for (overweightish, small boobs, large thighs, small ass), but they go for her. When asked to explain it, all they can say is “she’s hot.” But she’s not physically hot — guys looking at just her photo without being in her presence say she’s a DUFF. She does have a good personality, but so do a lot of plain women who don’t get nearly the same attention that she does. What are the other things it could be? I mean, I really am curious.
“wow. That’s deep right THURRRR. :) There goes the 80/20! (80% of the women trying to hook up with the top 20% of the men, and vice versa). Now if you want to hear about guys getting UPSET over the dating scene, THAT’S what’s going to make them mad! :D”
Your whole blog is a reality check for women, right? I’m sorry that one little comment would make men so mad, but that’s the reality. Women don’t actually want to date average joe. They’ll settle for him, sure, but they always want someone with more status, who makes more money, etc. I think if they aimed higher and then settled for average joe if they couldn’t get him, they would retain average joe much easier with a very self-confident attitude.
“As much confidence as a woman has, if she never goes to the right places where the type of men she wants to meet congregate, it’ll be PURE LUCK if she meets someone she’s naturally compatible with. While she’s banking on fate, there are chicks doing what needs to be done to get the attention of the same guys she’s hoping are going to fall into her lap.”
Right, but where is the advice on your blog for where these women need to go to meet these men? A lot of what you write is just telling women how dumb they are for believing lies, but not really giving any advice on how to spot these lies in the first place or how to be better in general. THAT would be much more helpful. The way your blog stands now, again, is pretty defeatist.
“PS – Guys put up with horrible girlfriends because they like the head.”
Sorry, wrong again. I know one guy (who has dated plenty of attractive, nice women) who put up with a horrible girlfriend who didn’t have sex with him for long periods — months — when she was mad. He married her. Sometimes the bitches just know how to hold it down.
Agreed on “Egregious societal pressure on women to attain and maintain impossibly high standards”.
Interesting point about lack of confident people in general. I’ll have to think about the concept of feeling unconfident. I don’t personally have lack of confidence, however I know what it feels like to be shut out of the opportunity to throw my hat in the ring, I know what it feels like to know that this chick is going to require more work than the eventual outcome is going to be worth, and I know what it feels like to know that for the type of people both of us are, I’m not bringing anything to the table that she needs right now. That’s all more cost/value analysis than lack of confidence.
As far as the “How she carries herself in public” part, I think it’s more important for someone with a bunch of other snobs scrutinizing their choices in life to select a woman with particular character traits than it is for a guy who can just go “\o/ **** it. I enjoy hooking up with her” and the fellaz will nod in agreement.. That agreement being that sometimes, you have to put up with crazy chicks to get what you want out of life.
It’s like hiring for a job. If you’re hiring an executive secretary, she needs to look and carry herself differently than a gal you hire to work in the mailroom that nobody’s ever going to see and if they DO see her and she looks “tore up from the floor up”, you get to say “Yeah, she works for my company, but \o/ **** it.. She works in the mailroom” and everyone will nod in agreement.
Yeah.. You pretty much wrecked your homegirl in that description! HAHAHA :D It seems like her forte is “fun”, which is a good thing because there are so many chicks that are bland as hell and have no personality whatsoever that it’s often refreshing to be around a self-starter, someone with her own interesting insights and conversation. Janeane Garofalo plays her looks down all the time, but who wouldn’t invite her out for drinks? You know SOMETHING funny’s gonna happen! :D
I see where you could feel like my blog is a reality check for women. My blog is about dating in general. I balance my post for Da Fellaz with posts geared towards the ladies in an attempt to have something for everybody. Life is actually way easier for me if y’all never wake up and keep falling for the same basic Game. *yawn* It’s also more boring, so it’s been fun for me to participate in the conversations like this one that jump off from my articles.
I wasn’t disputing your “Average Joe” comment. I think you’re on-point about that.
I fully intend for the next article I write to be actually good dating tips for women, and I intend for that to be tonight.
exactly
exactly sophia
” millions of women in this town, meaning there are hundreds of thousands of attractive women and all a guy really needs is ONE.”
You just said in many different posts that all men want is sex and don’t feel attachment or human emotions. So why would he want only one? That doesn’t make any sense.
If…we have nothing to hope for, no possibility of monogamy or safety, no happiness, strung along on a pathetic pipe dream of love that doesn’t exist, and spend our lives afraid this dbag we settled for anyway is going to cheat on us, and *this* is what we are supposed to be working hard for, to look good and have wonderful personalities for? Is *this* what we are working so hard for? I mean are you serious? WTF is the point again? So some pathetic dbag can treat us badly and forget where our fucking clitorises (clitori?) are?
*head explodes*
“Sophia”‘s inspired me to write some good tips for women instead of screaming “Y’ALL ARE IDIOTS” all the time. Hopefully, I’ll be able to do that by this afternoon. :)
I see where my statement is vague. Thanks for asking about this, Susan. Let me be more specific. :)
Unless you’re specifically into twosomes or threesomes, you’re only going to have sex with one woman at a time.
In a city with millions of women in it, if a gal isn’t interested in you, it’s actually way faster to bail out and meet someone new than it is to change the mind of a woman that’s not currently feeling physically attracted to you.
In the sticks, there are only like 12 gals available at all and no turnover so you’re stuck with Betty Sue, Fannie Mae and whomever else went to your local high school as far as dates/mates. That’s the environment where crabby girls can get their Game on because the guys don’t have any options of more compatible/interested women to date.
So my point about “One Woman” doesn’t pertain to Long-Term Relationships, but rather to when the search stops. When a guy has what he wants, he goes offline for the evening or however long he concentrates on the gal he’s hooking up with. That’s important for NYC women to recognize because it’s not like the country-based wooing process. Unless a guy sees something extraordinary in a gal (which I claim is Personality), there’s no reason he wouldn’t be dating several women.. AND.. If he’s the type of person that’s LOOKING FOR one woman to date long-term and perhaps marry, then you have to find him before he finds another girl that fits the bill.
There are so many women offering LTRs that the guys that want them go offline and STAY offline, leaving the male dating pool populated by serial monogamists and/or professional sharks.
“One Woman” refers to the amount of competition that a gal has in this city for the attention of that ONE man that they’re all trying to get.
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For those that troll the internet for fast, easy hook-ups, NYC has by far anything and everything to be had sexually…even depravity. However, for those of us who truly want to find a lasting mate to share life with, relate to, to feel comfortable and safe with, NYC is virtually a cesspool of players, liars and sex exploiters. These men lurk on conventional dating sites as well, not to mention the alternative sex sites that are cropping up all over the place. I had an experience that has left me scarred. We met on a site while he was in LA…started out as long-distance. He explained his desires as being mutual for a long-lasting relationship, mentioning all the niceties that a woman wants to hear. Sharing, similar goals, etc. We chatted every few days, then daily. This went on for 3 months. He was BRITISH, in the fashion business and traveled extensively around the world and seemed sincere. ALOT of text messaging every day…how impersonal. We finally agreed he come to me in Denver. He initiated the conversation about getting tested for STDs. It was too good to be true…we had SO much in common. All seemed glorious. It was VERY clear he had much sexual experience. Another 3 months of daily communicating and I agreed to see him in NYC. When I arrived tho, he seemed extremely nervous. My instincts by this time were becoming louder. I had already experienced the gut feelings and little red flags, but when endorphins take over, the brain gets muddled. That weekend in NYC, I found out purely by accident, he had a daughter in London and he was a fetishist. This was clearly not what I signed up for…so watch out and be safe…lying freaks in NYC are plentiful!
I love you for saying this. It is 100% true and needed to be said. The sad thing is that the tough independence of women here helps to conceal the problem imo…no one wants to admit the guys are spoiled jerks who with no relationship skills and who treat women badly, and the women are secretly wounded and desperate and pretending not to be. Period.
I’m a native New Yorker in my 30s and never lived anywhere else. I’ve never wanted anything *but* a relationship and have never come close here to finding one. After I started researching it, both online and talking to out of state-ers, it turns out, we single-and-looking hetero women are putting ourselves in the most competitive place on the planet for us. It’s disgustingly unfair – not unless you are asexual and not looking for a companion and all you have is your wonderful career which flourishes here in NYC- and the sex ratio/fashion industry problem is damaging to our own sense of worth, emotional growth, and view of men in general.
So after nearly a century of my family’s history in this country, I’m leaving the city where my grandfather was born in Williamsburg in 1915.
And it can kiss my ass.
That’s the entire point, Susan.
As you’ve noticed from living this life, the dating environment for women SUCKS in NYC. Between the guys that aren’t even interested in relationships because there are enough (if not too many) women that are down for whatever with no commitment necessary and the guys that have no ida how to treat women even if they FEEL like committing to one, it’s just a series of sob stories and anger from women here that are really just looking for something very simple, but they can’t get it.
The only hope for women in this town is their personalities because there are too many women here offering looks and sex but nothing at all of value internally as human beings. Guys get used to these interactions and stop expecting quality interactions from women.
It’s a cycle and the only options for women to escape are being better human beings than most other women in this town or removing themselves from this situation and alighting in a different and way more female-friendly environment.
being better human beings doesn’t change the context and amount of difficulty we are faced to endure. It is unjust and despicable. I’ve never even really engaged in dating so taking myself out of the equation never even needed to be done…however, I am also a human being who needs human touch, and the empty, self-involved, immature pigs here are not an option for me. Therefore only leaving is left. I’ve already signed a lease in the midwest and have a ride there. ;) Go me!
JULY 30.
I know you’re right about being a better person not changing the surrounding circumstances.
This is where my philosophy is seen as different, not to put words in Sophia’s mouth…
I say “Figure out The Game so you can decide whether you want to play it or not”. Others say “Believe in The Dream and live it!!! :D”. I see this as an example of your recognizing that this situation isn’t working for you and a change of venue will at least do you some good and at most put you on the right track to achieve what you want out of life.
As strange as it may seem, this town with millions of people in it is NOT the place to try to receive “the human touch”. There’s always a price on it and if people don’t feel like you can pay it, they’re not giving you any light at all.
I was at this party the other day and chicks were walking by me like as if they didn’t even see me standing there because they weren’t interested in talking to me. That’s The Game. \o/ If someone would have told them that I could have helped their careers or businesses, they would have been on me in a split second, handing out numbers like white on rice! >:D (not that white rice hands out business cards, it’s just that that sounded SO GOOD when I thought it up! :D)
If you don’t recognize that people have ulterior motives when they approach you, you’re short in this environment. Are there other, regular, DECENT interactions, yes, there most certainly are.
At that same party, several gals walked up, we smiled at each other, introduced ourselves and started chatting. That’s The Game. \o/ You get whatever you get when you go somewhere. I meet new women every week. Some guys NEVER meet new women. If the environment isn’t working for you, it’s best to recognize that and stack the deck in your favor for once! :D
Good Luck with the move. :)
thanks. The problem isn’t exactly getting guys to date me, the problem is who they are and how fast they disappear once they realize I won’t let them screw me. ;)
lolol Welcome To The Real World, Susan. :D
Guys don’t approach women so they can *TALK* to y’all… haha That’s what other GUYS are for. :D
Susan,
I googled “secretly wounded and desperate and pretending not to be” before responding in order to suggest internet venues which would, perhaps, better suit you.
No matter where you alight IRL, if the not so invisible sign over your head sez “secretly wounded and desperate” men are going to run like hell. Get happy. Lay down the baggage about grandfather and Williamsburg as if it matters in the modern day arena of seeking a (good) man. At least you were able to explore what a fetishist was, and had a few good months before that of being in a relationship which you thought made you a little bit happy and in which you could have become a step Mom. But maybe not. I pause to consider your statement that that is all you’ve ever wanted but you’ve never had it and never come close to it, in your four decades on the planet. My guess would be that you wouldn’t recognize it if it fell out of the sky on your head like a pancake because you are so quarrelsome about men in general. I don’t buy that you really want what you say you want. But I do, I really do wish you happiness. Change your words and your mindset and new and different experiences will come.
Good Luck
Ok the pancake fell on MY head! It was nyc maiden with the fetishist. Sorry to have lumped you two together in a composite.
it’s funny how it’s the women most prone to criticizing other women, who seem to have the least reason to do so
Susan, tere was this awful relationship blog I used to follow (the content seemed to be from a variety of writers and they never responded engaged with comments) and the one good kernel of info to come from it regarding NYC chicks looking for THE relationship was, look outside The City. I don’t have the context of being an NYC resident of any duration but is that statement really not as obvious as it seems to me?
Maybe you don’t need to move out, maybe you need to break the sacred Two River Rule? I’m only half kidding when I say that as I got hit over the head with it recently…
Thanks for the comment, nycmaiden.
I’ve yet to post about “online dating”, because it’s clearly THE WORST! There’s no reason AT ALL someone that types to you on a keyboard or sends text messages to you would necessarily feel any goodwill towards you whatsoever. There’s no real connection between you. Also, there’s no sense of potential loss. If they mess up the rap to you… who cares? They’re kicking it to at least 20 other chicks anyway and whatever pans out pans out.
The best bet in dating is to date people who friends of yours already know. Checks & Balances. That way, if the person’s a jerk, your friends can tell you so off the bat. Also, they’re less likely to cross personal boundaries of yours because besides not getting on with YOU again, they lose face in front of their friends that know you and the rest of their community.
NYC isn’t just a haven for freaks and liars. It’a a haven for ACTORS. There are a lot of people here who try to live into roles that aren’t natural to them. Unfortunately, the only way to tell what’s what is to hang out with someone and find out what they’re really like.
Don’t believe all that you heard
Or half of what you see
It’s a waste of time
To criticize
Don’t De-Rock ME! :D
~Tesla
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Great article, Bill! You’re so right about looks – what a shame people don’t get that if the secret to a great love life, (ahem – correction) to a great life, is going out with an attitude of “What can I give?” not “What’s in it for me?”
So many men & women wait for love by playing the “when/then game” – that’s “When someone gorgeous finds me, THEN I’ll look great.”
It doesn’t work that way – as you beautifully pointed out!
Hope someone listens to ya!
Trev.
Thanks Trevor. :)
hmmmmm… That’s a great concept… “The when/then game”. That totally makes sense.
It also comes into play when people are currently IN relationships and “let themselves go”. They think that when they get back out on the market, they’re the same hot property they were when they got scooped up, but they’ve made it magnitudes tougher on themselves to get people’s attention because they look so horrible now, which is part of the reason they’re getting dumped in the first place. :)
Dude – have you seen this map?
http://www.xoxosoma.com/singles/?n=0&x=9&a=1
It sort of blows away every thing you have said here. I’m not looking to burst your bubble or make you feel bad but I’m curious what your comments are?
In fact the map I added actually was built based on the mistakes of the map you are referring to.
What it says is that all of these women you are talking about being single are actually 45 or older with most of them being in their 60s.
Here are my comments about the interactive map, “Ford”. Thanks. :D
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There may be statistically more women…but, they tend to be fat and butt ugly. What you should do is compare the amount of horny males to actual, good looking, available women. Then, you’ll realize that men clearly out number this group. This city tends to attract very LARGE females. They think that because the buildings are so big that maybe their 250 lb. bodies won’t appear quite so out of place. Also, there are a lot of uneducated males in this city. So, basically you have a very large category of sub human animal species. You’d have to incorporate that into your statistical bin as well. In the end there are very FEW intelligent, good looking males & females. The rest are simply a cess pool of humanity called “New York City”. Oh, you think I’m wrong about this? Ever been to jury duty? How about the INS building? You can look back a million years into some of those faces.
Jett! I have never laughed so hard in my life. I can’t agree completely since I have lived in both the East Village, SoHo/Chinatown border / and now on the UES- they women that walk around all appear to be between 25 and 35 and are super good looking, thin, smart…. it’s endless. However, I still meet tons of women with unrealistic standards who are not very nice. Do you have a blog Jett?!?!?
Hey Jett, E.H…. I could have sworn I already replied to this.
The point isn’t how good looking the women are. Granted, NYC has a very low percentage of good-looking women, but that doesn’t matter because there are so many of them. The market’s virtually flooded.
For this reason, there’s no reason to chase a better-looking chick to try to get something a few weeks from now that a less-attractive chick will do for you right now.
They’re all in competition with each other, which is why “Nice Gals Finish First!” :D
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Bill you won’t get a quality woman in NY that’s for sure… you can’t even spell
First of all, ANONYMOUS PERSON… :D
I’ve never, *EVER* been subjected to a spelling test by a female in my entire life, and I don’t know ANYONE who ever has, so your argument is retarded. :)
Second, please feel free to inform me of anything I’ve misspelled haha Thanks for the free typographical error proofreading.
Third, don’t try to count my Twitter account, because if you see “RT” in front of what I posted, that means I’m only copying what someone else wrote, so I won’t accept ANY responsibility for someone else’s illiteracy. :D
Wow, “never”? Then you haven’t met that many women. :)
How many times have *YOU* been quizzed on spelling by a chick you wanted to bang? Zero. That’s how many. Stop being a clown. :) If you have something relevant to add, do it.
Thanks for the comments :)
Much sooner than later women in NY realize that guys in NY are the lowest on the global totem pole.
ha! they’re also spoiled, egotistical, self-involved asses.
hahaha No argument there from ME, Susan! :D
That’s why they make things so easy for The Kid by comparison.
It’s actually rather funny watching gals commit to lame-ass dudes and counting down the days until they quit that garbage and reenter the Free Agent market. >:D
People live up to or down to whatever they need to get what they want.
In NYC some guys can get away to what amounts to murder in Seattle. One of the knock on effects of a seemingly infinite supply and rapid turnover of fresh women is that there’s no persistence of social memory or grapevine. Dude’s can throw bad raps all day and get downright nefarious because there’s no repercussions. And it’s not just the men. Women can be as dismissive and flaky as hell because no one’s in their peer group long enough to keep score. I keep saying it, NYC is like Fantasy Island for a whole lot of folks. do what you please, it won’t come back to you. Throw that at a whole bunch of type A folks who are finally realizing that mommy and daddy aren’t looking over their shoulders.
Obviously they’re not laying out the real deal when they go back home else the expectation of the people flooding in to replace them would change. OR they’d be chastised, shamed, whatever, into better behavior.
Mom: Honey, welcome back home! How are things at the new job?
Kid: Well, my boss gave me a promotion! [And I had my first orgy and caught something, and ecstasy's really not so bad, and there was that time I passed out on the street on some garbage bags after an all night binge and the cops had to take me home, etc.]
Dad: That’s swell!
Excellent point about the turnover, Steve.
I told a chick that to her face once, and she didn’t believe me. I told her that her opinion didn’t matter to me at all because after today, she wasn’t going to exist anymore.
I wasn’t being harsh. I was being truthful. That was nearly three years ago now and I haven’t seen hide nor hair of that chick and it doesn’t matter to me at all because she wasn’t an acquaintance of mine.. She was just part of that evening’s entertainment and like thousands of other chicks that I’ve met and didn’t remain in contact with, once she rode off into the sunset, she was going to disappear into history with the rest of them.
It’s just a fact. You can walk into a bar, make out with a chick in front of 20-30 people, walk out the door, take 10 steps up the block, walk in the door of the bar next door and make out with a different chick in front of another 30 people and neither set of patrons is ever going to know about what happened in the other bar. >:D
Multiply that by the number of bars and the number of blocks and the number of neighborhoods and the number of boroughs and then add turnover and commuters and you could mess with a different chick every day of the week for the entire year without repeating.
So, Yes.. Expendability leads to jerk-like behavior on both sides of the table. Gals know, as Sophia pointed out somewhere recently, that six more guys are going to try to get her number before she makes it to the subway. Guys know that if this chick doesn’t give it up, her sister, best friend, mother or some other chick will, so what difference does an individual make? \o/
But the other points sucked? LOL
I remember we were “arguing” about your use of the term “expendable” which I thought was inappropriate but the world turns and the truth is revealed. NYC is like a Shakespearean play revolving around several million characters and some folks are just the like the scenery. Expendable.
Some people live by principle and know what’s right and wrong. Why does everyone like hurting women?
Hi Bill,
to add my two cents to this spelling discussion: When I was looking for a dancepartner via the internet, first of all I eliminated all candidates who could not spell properly. One of them spelled the word “jive” like this: “chive”. Deleted his e-mail right away, even though he had the right height and lived nearby. I don’t like to hang out with retarded people.
And one of the things I find attractive about you – even though we have never met and probably never will – is your writing style and the fact that you spell better than most of your commenters.
But then again, I am a geek chick, so my opinion might not be representative….. :-)
Hmm… I heard that both Bill Gates and Kevin Rose were bad spellers. Oh, well.
That’s probably true, Derek :D
However, both Bill Gates (I can’t believe you actually mentioned that OTHER Bill on MY blog! :O hahaha What’s next? Somebody brings up Clinton too?) and Kevin Rose are…. RICH.
The original comment by the troll was that I wouldn’t be able to get a quality woman in NYC (I’ll add the C for them, because they probably don’t realize that NY indicates New York, which means the entire state, including the sticks) because I can’t spell. That’s DOUBLE-RETARDED, because first of all, I spell perfectly well 99.9999999998799% of the time, and second of all, when you meet chicks on the fly that have no access to your Social Media where you’ve spelled things on the net for years, there’s no way they can judge you on your spelling, and I have NEVAR (hehe) been asked by a single chick in my entire life… NOT ONE… whether I can spell or not. However, that’s normally because if a chick wants to know something like that, the first thing she’s going to ask is what school I went to and then when she hears the list, including MIT, she gets the clue that I’m probably smarter than most of the guys she’s messed with in her entire life, so whatever erotic fantasies she had of giving me spelling tests go right out the window.
So, while I see what your argument is.. Nobody cares whether Rose or Gates can spell. However, you DO bring up a very interesting question.. Whether a chick wouldn’t date a rich, popular guy because she read his personal blog and he was functionally illiterate. Like I said to Fishingrod, I (and most guys) have the luxury of not caring whether a chick can spell or not as far as bootie-call status, but a chick isn’t going to get any kind of leadership position with me if I don’t consider her SOMEWHERE CLOSE to my level of intelligence, or at least, if not intelligence, DILIGENCE in school!
Actually, I rather enjoy hanging out with women that I consider to be smarter than I am, or at least more dedicated to something than I am to the degree that they’ve done their studies and research and know way more about that topic than I do. It’s an incredibly different experience from talking to a chick like a bat and watching your voice echo off her face, because she has nothing to say because she didn’t understand anything you’ve said for the last five minutes. :D
@Fishingrod: haha Thanks for the two cents! :D
The thing that’s so stupid about that troll’s statement is that I’m virtually impeccable when it comes to spelling. That’s because I hate dummies just as much as you do. It’s a complete turnoff. It’s like “did you go to school past the first grade?” I just can’t take it.
Yet and still, I was willing to entertain the troll’s comment out of respect for the fact that he or she came to my blog and commented. I know what they’re saying is ridiculous, because percentage-wise, out of all the things I’ve written, my spelling error percentage is ZERO. Also, when I DO make mistakes….. they’re MISTAKES, so if they’re pointed out to me, I’ll thank the person, correct it and hopefully not make the same mistake again. It was clear that that clown was trolling, so I didn’t bother to hand out this explanation.
There are things I misspell intentionally, such as fellaz, but that’s attempting to print slang. That’s spelling words that don’t exist, not misspelling words that do.
The funny thing is, now that you bring up what you said, I hadn’t considered VISUALLY being tested for spelling. You’re absolutely right. I’m sure I’ve been ‘graded’ on my spelling by women that have come here and read my material for the past two years. I do the same thing. If a chick doesn’t know the difference between there & their or who’s and whose or your & you’re, they go right in the mental garbage can as far as dating.
Luckily for me, I’m a guy, so I have the luxury of not giving a damn whether a chick is smart or not as long as she looks good. Women don’t have it that easy, because y’all are (subconsciously or not) looking for guys to have kids with and, by nature, y’all know that it’s better for your kids to inject yourself with intelligent genes instead of producing kids that will most likely be dumber than you currently are. This is why I advocated for y’all to only date guys better than you are.
Dating Dummies is a major mistake, however, for guys as well. It all depends on how much you’re going to depend on her to do ANYTHING other than cook and have sex. Same thing goes for dating liars. I’m going to get into this at length, probably next week, because I’ve been working on a project recently that got its delivery date pushed up HALF A MONTH, and I should finally be done with it later tonight, so I can get back to writing.
So, Fishingrod.. Thanks to your INTELLIGENT comments about the topic, I have a new topic to write about.. “Are you being tested via your Social Media?”.
Thank You! :D
For such a surplus of women in NYC they certainly not the friendliest human beings around. If you dont work with them they really dont want to be bothered with you. I dont see them being very attractive either. Go to other big cities and youll see alot more attractive women whom you have a better shot at.
Absolutely true, Joe.. On both counts! :D
NYC doesn’t have a high PERCENTAGE of attractive women… It’s just that with MILLIONS of women in this area, even a low percentage of hawt chicks is going to yield an infinite supply… Especially when you add in migrants and tourists.
They’re not friendly because they don’t see any need to be. They’re all hanging on to this pipe dream of landing this incredible guy that actually doesn’t exist en masse in NYC. If you don’t appear to live up to those standards in their estimation, you “gets no love” from them.
Having said that, they’re also not friendly because guys are trying to kick it to them all day every day. By the time you try to talk to them as a nice guy, a thousand other guys have already approached them with the “nice guy” style and eventually revealed that they were mainly trying to get laid. NYC Chicks have too many interactions like this and eventually don’t want to hear JACK from ANY guys at all.. Unless, like you said, you work with them or they know you through other people.
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I don’t really agree with the article. I moved from San Francisco / the Bay Area, and although I was considered in the top 5% attractiveness there, the guys were way too scared or geeky or gay to ask women out. I get hit on/asked out in NYC WAY more often than in SF, even though there are a lot more women that are as attractive or more attractive than me. I have had no shortage of dates here, it’s a nice change — I actually think there’s a lot more guys here and the high quality girls pretty much get their pick of fairly attractive, successful, aggressive men. Interesting viewpoints though from your side — my girlfriends actually agree with me.
Hello again, Sophia. Two interesting responses in a row! Thanks. :D
In your other comment, you said (about offering to share payment for a date) I’ve had someone tell me, “You don’t even need to offer, I’m surprised you did, you’re pretty enough not to.”
This means that you are a part of the PROBLEM and not the solution. You’re on the other team. You’re one of the reasons why regular-looking chicks in this town don’t have any pull.
The ‘problem’ with a guy saying “You’re Pretty Enough To XYZ” is that if a chick ISN’T THAT PRETTY, he’s going to treat her differently. That’s my point. There are too many women here, so by sheer numbers, not percentages, there are too many good-looking women here so the only way for other women to overcome that is personality and being more of a worthwhile human being than the chick that looks great and is dumb as a box of rocks.
Also, look what you just said: “The High Quality Girls pretty much get their pick of fairly attractive, successful, aggressive men”. That’s absolutely right. And then the other 80% of the women get what? O_o …………. See what I mean? You’re part of what the average NYC women has to overcome. All the guys at the bar are walking past her to kick it to YOU! You’re not on her team. You don’t get to speak for her. :D
High Quality Girls can get anything they want because guys want to hook up with you. Period. Go do a “Shallow Hal” experiment. Do your best to make yourself look busted and then go out on the town and see what happens for you. :D
Attractive people get more stuff. That’s how life works. What I’m talking about here is the women that don’t realize they’re in the middle of the pack instead of at the top. They’re wondering why guys don’t kick it to them and it’s because those dudes are too busy running around after you and your girlfriends.
Look around next time you go out and see if there aren’t 3-5 guys surrounding ONE good-looking chick and meanwhile, a pack of mediocre chicks standing there talking amongst themselves. Look in the restaurants and see if you don’t see packs of chicks eating together with no men in sight. Walk down the street and see if you don’t see packs of women shuffling around aimlessly.
None of these gals are going to overpower High Quality Females with looks, so their only chance is to do the best they can, visually, and make up the difference with a stellar personality that makes guys want to spend time with THEM again instead of taking his chances that he might pull a hotter chick next time he goes out.
Also, I did do a “shallow hal” experiment — it doesn’t really matter if I’m post-workout & gross, no makeup. I think what guys pick up on is my attitude more than just my appearance.
I’m trying to follow you on this “Attitude over Appearance” thing.. I really am. :D
The problem is that for the most part, guys don’t want to **** attitude. They like your face. They like your hair. They like how you walk. They like how your sweatpants show off the outline of your ass. They like how there aren’t any panty-lines pressed against your sweats, indicating a thong or no underwear at all…
I just can’t see a dude DETECTING that you have such-and-such an attitude and going “Damn… I’d like to hook up with HER so I could experience all that ATTITUDE! :D” haha I mean, it’s possible but that’s not my personal experience of life. I’ve NEVER had a dude point out a chick’s attitude to me.. EVAR.
Having said that.. Attitude can definitely be attractive, assuming that her primary looks are good enough for you to notice her / be interested in her in the first place. There’s always something intriguing about a confident woman. You want to know WHY she feels the way she does about herself. What’s so good about HER that she’s struttin’ her stuff?
Lots of times, it’s just that a chick listened to her Beyonce CD so many times that she believed the hype and there’s no substance behind her style whatsoever. :D
Bill, Sophia is right about “attitude,” in my opinion. And I’ll bet you HAVE been drawn in inextricably by this alluring energy so let’s try a different descriptor…feeling sexually ON. Like attracts like. Most women know that as soon as a (good) lover comes along after any dry spell that every man within twenty feet of her is going to sense it and…hit on her. It is magic. From the time you get up out of bed or wherever with your new exiting lover and leave his side men will notice you. More. Probably pheromones but I’m sure we walk differently and smooth our hair differently and have more relaxed smiles. The recent good sex memories flash like strobe lights in our brains, facilitating attitude, and our HAWT scores go up.It makes you like our face and hair more than if we didn’t have that thing going on. When it rains, it pours!
Agreed. It’s obvious when a female isn’t being handled properly “in the bedroom”.
I’m not saying that a positive or fun or sexy attitude isn’t attractive and can’t bring up a less-physically-attractive female’s net worth.
I’m saying that it’s a common misconception that women have to dress up to be perceived as sexy by men. A hundred million gazillion times, I’ve had to listen to “But I had on sweatpants”, “But I didn’t have on makeup”, “But I was sweaty”, “But my hair wasn’t done”, “But I was wearing a hoodie”, blah blah blah blah blah when none of that matters. We can very clearly see “through” clothes by the way they hang from y’all’s bodies and what parts move when you walk and what parts don’t.
We can tell if you have a nice ass or not. We can tell if we like your hair or not. We can tell if we think you’re cute without makeup. We can tell if we like the way you walk. We can tell we like your accent…
It’s actually WORSE if y’all are dressed down and we want you because it’s like “If that chick actually hooked herself up, she’d be SLAMMIN!!! :O”.
We can tell whether you’re a well-mannered lady or a CRUMB by your reaction when we hold the door open for you. There are so many things about y’all that you have ZERO control over but you think you do. You THINK that you get attention BECAUSE you put on a miniskirt. You THINK it’s because you put nice-looking shoes on and painted black around your eyes. You think that NOT doing those things makes you immune and/or undetectable and it’s just not the truth.
The beauty of this attitude (that my plain friend has down pat since I’ve asked her about it) is that it works whether she gets all the guys she wants or not.
If she gets the guy she was looking for, it’s like, obviously he wanted me, everyone wants me (but not in an arrogant way). If she doesn’t, she doesn’t care very much because it’s his loss and she KNOWS there’s a bazillion guys who are coming along right around the corner. It’s kind of an “abundance” mentality — that the guys are always going to be there and they’re always going to like her. And they are, and they usually do.
It seems like whatever your frame of reference is comes true. Which is why I worry about your blog making women scared & seeing issues everywhere that aren’t really issues. There’s enough women who are worried about the lack of dating in NY, and so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I mean, take yourself. Even in the face of evidence that there are way more women in NYC based on the population map (ladies from 20-40), and that they’re not that attractive (based on comments from the male readers), you say it doesn’t matter since there’s enough of them that who cares? Um, you should since the numbers don’t lie. But your beliefs are that women are the ones who are losing out in NYC, and there’s a bunch of them left for you. You said it yourself: the guys who are complaining there aren’t enough women in NYC are the ones who aren’t getting any women. That’s true, but I would argue it’s because they believe that there aren’t any women. That is their worldview.
Because to be quite honest, my experience is the direct opposite of what you say. There are gazillions of guys and I don’t see them not continuing to ask me out (or my plainer friend) all the time. But we don’t think there’s a man shortage. And statistically, we’re totally right.
There’s of course a correlation with this mentality and having the traits that the opposite sex likes (except for my plain friend, of course), but it becomes a question of chicken and the egg: do these women who get all the attention get it because they like themselves first? Or do they like themselves and then get all this attention? I think the two go together a lot of the time.
Again… I’m going to do a post ASAP about actually good dating tips for women.
Without being around your friend, there’s no telling what’s actually sexy about her. I know an overweight chick that what’s sexy about her personality is that she’s a TROOPER for her man. She’s the type of girl that’s gonna go all out for you and that’s a respectable trait which inspires a guy to want the best for her and inspires him to DO for her.
I know another overweight chick that what’s sexy about her is her class & style, the way she dresses and carries herself.. Also, her cheery demeanor. She always seems to be having fun. That’s a lovable quality. :)
All this stuff is gonna get y’all in the door to try to sell the encyclopedias, but getting a guy and retaining a guy, especially for an exclusive relationship, are two entirely different things.
I sent you photos of my friend, her hot boyfriend that she’s been with for 2 years now, myself, and our girlfriends that she constantly hangs out with. None of the things you’ve said so far have really applied to her, so I’d like to see what you can come up with now that you have a photo. You are really having a tough time accepting that it’s just her attitude, aren’t you?
Pictures are all well & good and I have a decent idea of her physical appearance & presentation, but I can’t tell how she walks, how she smells, or what it ‘means’ (if anything) when she looks at you without being in her physical presence.
Being an empath, I get a lot more about “Who she is” from being in her presence, which is one of the reasons I don’t bother with online dating. I can see from a picture that this chick is FOYINE or not, but that doesn’t come close to indicating what experiencing her IRL is like.
You described her relatively accurately. She’s definitely the LAST ONE out of your posse that “Could Get It”. (“It” being Tha Dilznick) However.. You’ve assessed her RELATIVE to your girlfriends and not the overall population. By your description, I considered her to be a 2 or 3 when she’s actually a 5 if I were to personally rate your posse as 6s to 9s (on a scale from 1-10, with 10 being the most attractive). Her looks aren’t going to get her any raps at the bar, hehe.
One advantage she has is that she’s clearly ethnic. I can tell you from personal experience that it ALWAYS pays off to be perceived as different from the posse you hang out with AND the general population y’all normally socialize with.
Another plus is that she has a genuine smile and seems to be a nice person. After jumping in the ring and duking it out with chicks that are hawt but think they’re all that, it’s a refreshing change to not have to prove or defend yourself in a conversation and just spend time CHILLIN’, like guys & gals are supposed to do.
You’re also right that she doesn’t seem to exude sexuality.. sensuality neither, actually. I really can’t see guys stepping to her for that other than on the exotic tip like “I’m always kickin’ it with white girls, let me interact with this ‘other’ chick for a change”.
She doesn’t overdo it with the jewelry, which is good because it indicates that she doesn’t just toss money away, meaning she’s not likely to frivolously spend YOUR money for no good reason.
Her style of dress seems to be modest and unstylish to boot. It’s sometimes good to get your hands on chicks that are completely out of touch with fashion because they’re most likely thinking differently and not just another drone that follows the trends. It’s like when you go to a ‘regular’ party and ONE punk-rock chick shows up. :D You’re dying to talk to her because even though she looks corny, she’s representing her own style and you might get something out of the ordinary from interacting with her.
Another reason she would get more raps is that she’s way less visually intimidating than the rest of your posse. With 5s, it’s like first of all, you don’t expect her to reject you and second of all, if she does, who cares? \o/
You’re not gambling much, stepping to a 5. It’s something to do. You’re spending time. She might be cool. She probably has better-looking girlfriends around here somewhere. She definitely doesn’t qualify as a DUFF because she doesn’t have that overbearing hater presence.
DUFFs have to be on the case when a guy kicks it to one of the attractive chicks in the group so she can effectively cockblock. Your homegirl seems too pleasant to be a DUFF because jealousy & envy are critical characteristics and she seems to be enjoying her life too much to be concerned with whether some other guy gets on one of her girls or not.
As far as your overall point, I can’t tell a lot about her personality from pictures, but given the choice between her physical appearance and, let’s say KNOWING that she’s confident or has a great personality or whatever and selecting ANY of the other chicks in your posse and taking THE CHANCE that one of them MIGHT be a decent human being, I really cant’ tell you why a guy wouldn’t gamble on one of your other friends instead of going for the “sure thing”, personality-wise.
Thanks for sharing! :D
Well, what I’ve found is that every guy has a sort of bar of attractiveness and if you are above it, you’re golden. So if his bar is an 8 for a relationship and you’re a 10, well, great. But you’re also good if you’re an 8 or a 9. But below that? It doesn’t matter if you’re mother theresa & rachel ray rolled into one, he’s not going to be interested. So I’m not sure how a girl is supposed to overcome that bar using her personality to get guys initially attracted to them (but I haven’t read the rest of your articles so maybe you have some good strategies, I don’t know).
But I mean, of course guys aren’t just looking at your attractiveness. Once you pass that bar, the 8 and the 10 are essentially the same and the guy uses other things to evaluate how good you are on the relationship front: intelligence, character, etc. But being a 10 gives you more options (more guys that are initially interested) than being a 5, for example. And I think if the guy was pretty off in relation to a hot girl, he’d most likely put up with a lot of crap from her because she was further up the scale (like a 5 guy overall — looks, confidence, status, etc — dating a 9 girl). I think I’m pretty right on this, correct me though if you think I’m off.
I think one thing a lot of women are missing in this city is femininity, in my humble opinion. I am just as career-oriented as anyone else, but you have to turn that aggressiveness down a notch sometimes.
I also think sometimes women don’t understand why they don’t have relationships with the men they want because they evaluate their potential by their hookups. A 5 woman can try for a 9 man, and in the casual sex game, she can land him. She will not land him for a relationship. I’m not sure but I think a lot of 5 women can land 90% of the men out there for something really casual. This leads them to inflate their own value in the dating market.
The vision is likely a lot clearer for you guys. You all want the 9s, but it’s a rare woman who will date significantly downward. Not a lot of gray area there, so guys know what they’re “worth” in a more concrete way.
That is to say I think a lot of women have a real problem with the cognitive dissonance of being desired sexually by just about every man, but only being relationship material with a small percentage. I think men’s standards for casual sex are quite low but they get pretty damn picky when it comes to relationships.
I have girlfriends that are like this — even extremely hot ones that you could classify as 10s. They’re hooking up with the best guy in New York or whatever, he’s got all the bells & whistles (smart, good looking, charismatic, wealthy, interesting, etc), and she doesn’t realize that since he is that good, why does he just want to be with her (ie, he’s priced out of the market for a relationship entirely)? The answer is that he doesn’t — he’s got Tiger Woods syndrome but is smart enough to realize he shouldn’t get tied down until he’s ready.
This would get me killed if I were to talk about it with my friends, who like deluding themselves, but do you think I’m right?
I can’t believe I’m still posting, I need to go to sleep, but the last thing I wanted to say is that the more attractive girls don’t necessarily have it easier. The same dating issues & anxiety still happens to attractive girls, it just happens with different guys. Instead of average Joe bartender, it’s average Joe investment banker or CEO.
The game where girls get left after they have sex happens more often to more attractive girls, because there’s much more chance that that’s all the guy was interested in in the first place. They also are more likely to get the assholes who think they’re entitled to everything under god’s green earth hitting on them (these guys are also very manipulative & charming, they pretend to be nice at first). Attractive girls get screwed over just as much, if not more, than unattractive girls if you don’t know how to play the game.
Sophia,
I agree entirely with your “bar of attractiveness” idea. If a chick doesn’t have the right look, she doesn’t show up on the radar at all.
My only tactic for less-attractive females is to be introduced through friends. You’re right that they can’t go to a bar and “Mother Teresa” their way into a guy being interested in them.
Basically, they have to act like dudes and back-door their way in. Guys become friends with girls that are “out of their league”, hoping to make their mark on her and have her see that even though he’s a 5, he’s funny and he has a kind heart and excellent earning potential… Sometimes, those guys get lucky and score a date or even a girlfriend out of the situation.
That’s my point for women in this town. There are too many women that look just like you or better than you and guys are going to be all over them just like they’re all over you, if not more so. The differentiator’s going to be your way of being, not your looks, and CERTAINLY not scarcity of females in NYC like you might enjoy in the sticks, where you, Suzie Mae and Betty Jean are the only three attractive chicks for the entire male population to select from.
As you’ve said.. Being a 10 definitely gives you more options AND makes you way more of a target. I may never forget this one time I saw this dude with this chick and I was like WOW!!! I *KNOW* HE PAID FOR *THAT*!!! :D haha I mean the chick was clearly at least an escort and probably an actual hooker.
The reason I mention that is that top-level chicks are seen as hard to hold, because guys are always going to be coming after your girl and there’s no reason for her to turn down free stuff from every single guy that wants to do something for her, buy her something or take her somewhere. Chicks like that, you have fun with them while you can afford it and then when you can’t, it’s over and it’s good memories.. not meaning hookers, meaning insanely-attractive gals that are eventually going to sell out for something more than you’re offering them.
As far as the guy being a 5 and trying to pull a 9, that’s where money comes in. Guys can offset their looks with perks. Cars, Apartments, Yachts, Money.. So long as you can still afford her and she’s the type of chick to give it up for money, you’re in there like Belvedere. And, Yes.. He would put up with a ton of garbage from her because nobody cares what she thinks, so long as he can still enjoy her physically & visually. It’s part of the payments for her services, like the actual money and gifts.
Of course women are missing femininity here. Society has spent the last X years trying to turn women into men (as well as men into women, but that’s a different topic), so nobody’s teaching women how to be LADIES! O_o
That’s actually another thing that will get a woman ahead in the game here.. That she enjoys being a woman and not some wannabe-dude. That’s one of the reasons why corporate chicks lose their boyfriends to minimum-wage burger-flipping females. The McDonald’s chick is bringing way more to the table visually, sensually and sexually. You can’t defeat that with a degree from a good college and massive earning potential.
I also agree with you that women tend to confuse hookups with beginnings of relationships. If he hit it, it’s because he felt like hittin’ it. It doesn’t mean he thinks anything of you as a person AT ALL, much less considering you to be his girlfriend, fiancee or wife. It also doesn’t mean you’re the only girl he had sex with this week or the only girl he had sex with TODAY.
I’ll also paraphrase one of your topics as “Women have a problem with being able to see themselves objectively with regard to their looks”. I find this amazing when I watch The Maury Show and there’s a girl sitting there that’s obviously a 2, if not a 1, and then she’s shocked and amazed to find out her man’s ******* other girls as often as humanly possible. Absolutely Amazing! :D
It’s like basically, unless the guy’s actually into you in particular, the only girls you can block are the ones LESS ATTRACTIVE THAN YOU ARE. You can’t even block equally-attractive girls like your twin sister. If your moms looks good, hide her too. :)
But yeah.. They completely overestimate their value in the dating market. You might be a pitcher for The Yankees, but that doesn’t make you the ONLY pitcher for The Yankees. That doesn’t even make you the BEST pitcher for The Yankees. Unfortunately, women are easily faked out by guys telling them that they’re in exclusive, monogamous relationships with them. It’s best for the gals’ egos to believe the guy’s telling the truth. It’s also best for her ego if she believes that her sex is better than the next woman’s and that she’s somehow got her man sprung and riding her bra strap.
Agreed that there’s no reason for women to date significantly downward, because the more attractive a gal is, the more stuff’s going to be thrown at her by every guy that sees her. As you pointed out, they’re not courting her for a romantic relationship.. They see some azz they’d like to tap, and they’re willing to pay whatever the cost is to make that happen. Unfortunately for hotter women, they’re seen as outside of the price range of a lot of nice guys and that just leaves the Hunters to come after them and see what they can do.
Overall, the deal is that there’s no reason whatsoever for a guy to be in a “relationship” unless he’s looking for a wife. If he IS looking for a wife, he’s going to attempt to select an extraordinary female, looks-wise AND personality-wise. Chicks that are below his visual bar don’t even count as chicks unless they can somehow become introduced to this guy and show him that they’re viable candidates and make up for their lack of looks in other ways.
The major mistake women make on this topic is that they think guys are looking for girlfriends to begin with. What do you need a girlfriend for if you have charisma and live in a town with literally a million females in it? So guys here are basically looking to have a good time and hook up with chicks. There are more girls in the next booth over. There are more girls in the bar next door. There are more girls in the pizza shop on the corner. There are more girls in the subway. There are more girls tomorrow and the day after that…
That’s why y’all have to depend on something other than looks if you want a guy to remember you and consider you a viable candidate *IF* he decides he wants a girlfriend at all.
Great, I agree with everything you agreed with :)
Now I’m wondering what the best way is for a girl to get feedback on what she could improve about her appearance. I think a lot of guys can identify what they like, but how do you get them to tell you what you should be doing if you’re not (if they even know), or even to be honest with you in the first place?
I’m always trying to improve, and I’m wondering how you can go about getting some real feedback about things you can change (no stuff like your eyes are too close together or your torso is short, for example). But I’m talking hairstyle, body, clothing, accessories, makeup, etc. What do you recommend?
Somehow, I didn’t reply to this comment…
I should be #1 for Dress Your Girlfriend [Google Search]
I think the best way for a gal to get good information is to ask a guy that a) has her best interests at heart, and b) is part of the set of guys that she’d like to kick it to or would like to have kick it to her.
For instance, you don’t want to ask a hip-hop guy what you should wear if you want to meet wall street guys and vice versa.
Some guys like long hair, some guys like short hair, some guys like the type of hair that makes her look the best for whatever her personality is.
The reason I wrote “How To Dress Your Girlfriend” was because I found it weird that there were girls that swore up and down that their boyfriends wouldn’t be able to be fashion consultants for them. That’s retarded because it has to be Every. Single. Day. that we’re like “That chick jacked up her look with those saggy jeans” or “Why doesn’t she do anything with her hair other than let it just hang like that” or “Yo.. If I could put her in the gym for a few months??? >:D” or get her to stop eating so much greasy food or stop putting so many ridiculous layers of paint on her face or stop dressing like her grandmother or stop mixing styles (half business, half sporty)..
Dudes have commentary on how chicks look every single day, so you shouldn’t have any problems finding one or several that are willing to give you an honest, useful critique.
Sophia,
You are astute, a keen observer, plus you have the benefit of seeing/listening to other women in the gym setting. You know what their strong suits and weaknesses are. I think someone stole your laptop and wrote that request for recommendations on pleasing hairstyle, clothing, accessories and make up. You sound too confident in previous posts to write that. Plus you are a great speller!!
If you like what you see in the mirror it is probably all good!!! And with make up and accessories, isn’t less always more????
Thanks Christine. I appreciate the comment. I in general am a very confident person (you could tell if you saw me walking down the street), but I am the first to admit I’m not 100% on my game all the time. I am always trying to be better, and this was one of those times when it translated into lack of self-esteem. You’re completely right to call me on it, I try to have as few of those as possible. :)
I think you deserve better than this shit city. So much more.
Glad to know that most of the time you are your supremely confident shiny self! Shine On! Light that city up!
Wow, Bill. I said earlier that this topic has legs, but I was never EVER thinking millipede legs! Like an army’s worth of millipedes!
I’ve read most of the comments, rebuttals, accusations, realizations, and unbelievable truethiness. And I’ll add this:
Bill is the ultimate realist in the dating/relationship war. I’ve known (of) him for years now, and he doesn’t seem like a mean spirited guy.
What he is is a “nice smart” guy in an unique environment (NYC) with a unique view on dating. Not everyone is like that AND a lot of his rules – even HE says that – don’t work in other environments.
If Bill were to move to San Diego or Houston or maybe Chicago, most of his stuff would fail like a Sarah Palin at a Black Panther convention (although SHE might learn a few thangs).
Bill is being the typical guy: straight forward, truthful (to a sharp point), and, with a private convo, a little non-emotional about this situ. He’s in a target RICH environment, and HE is setting HIS agenda to serve HIS purpose.
As another guy, I don’t think that is (all that) bad. It’s works for him – works extremely well considering the photos on facebook.
I think some of things he’s done with respect to women – listen – are a bit rude in the “I’m a human”, but put in a “let’s find worthy dating material in this HUGE city of NY” may be right on the money. Life is short and he’s got things to do – as do a lot of the women (couple of women?) that have been keeping this thread alive.
Take his advice, not as an attack on you, but like a church sermon – pull out the pearls or wisdom that may apply to you or your friends.
That’s exactly right, Derek. I took his advice, and now I’m a convert!!! I have seen the light that eluded me during all those delightful/painful years of societally induced delirium, and NOW I can double jump rope AND have clear understanding of the game and not.be.duped.
Thanks Bill! Thanks everyone!
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HAHAHHAHAHA!
Bill, you are a legend! I had SUCHHHH a hearty laugh reading this!! You were spot on about us “pretend anorexic’s” who binge the entire Chinese Deli below our apt’s as soon as the date is over, gossiping about “ohmigod he was soo much nicer that the other jerk” with our best friend on the phone, while stuffing our faces with microwaved chicken sausages and/or honeyoats and nutella.
Though, how do YOU know about this? Did you sneakily stalk a girl and, much to your horror saw such a situation?
haha Thanks, Loreyla. Glad you enjoyed! :D
Nah, no sneaky stalking! :P See.. What had *HAPPENED* was…
The women that know me know that I hang out like a business. I don’t make plans to “have dinner” with a chick or “go see a movie” or something.. It’s we get together at X time and then we chill until one of us wants to do something else or one of us is about to fall asleep.
So all that “Sneak off to the local Chinese food spot” stuff isn’t going to work because if you eat a couple of leaves of lettuce, your ass is going to get HUNGRY AGAIN before you get rid of me. Then you’re going to start getting fidgety and cranky and looking at other people’s food with those lost puppy eyes, like “If only I had that hotdog right thurrrr :(”
So that’s why I tell gals all the time that they’d better stop fakin’ the funk and EAT when they’re hungry because they’re gonna need the energy for later… >:D