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		<title>By: LaLaFuFu dotcom</title>
		<link>http://billcammack.com/2008/04/10/budgeting-for-internet-video/#comment-15855</link>
		<dc:creator>LaLaFuFu dotcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly my point Bill, Vibe had a budget (somewhat) and couldn&#039;t pull it together.  Seeing that FC is just letting Scoble use the name there probably means they have an out clause. Especially since he approached them. It would look really bad if they exercised it.

PS: wouldn&#039;t it be funny if he pitched these videos as a Trojan horse senerio to pitch new biz (open doors) for FC? Would explain why they seem to be an afterthought instead of why they&#039;re there ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly my point Bill, Vibe had a budget (somewhat) and couldn&#8217;t pull it together.  Seeing that FC is just letting Scoble use the name there probably means they have an out clause. Especially since he approached them. It would look really bad if they exercised it.</p>
<p>PS: wouldn&#8217;t it be funny if he pitched these videos as a Trojan horse senerio to pitch new biz (open doors) for FC? Would explain why they seem to be an afterthought instead of why they&#8217;re there ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cammack</title>
		<link>http://billcammack.com/2008/04/10/budgeting-for-internet-video/#comment-15846</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment. :)

The first problem with that Vibe situation is not allocating the proper budget to hire people that knew what they were doing.  The second problem is that filming and editing are two entirely different disciplines.  In general, you want to hire ONE shooter and ONE editor, not ONE PERSON to do both.

Also, having a system means nothing.  Hiring a button-pusher is only one step above the content creator learning to edit him/herself.  Quality editing is done by feel and understanding.  You can&#039;t buy that in a store.  It doesn&#039;t come standard with a Macbook Pro.  It&#039;s not included in the FCP instructions.

Unfortunately, the more someone claims to be able to do for less money, the more likely it is that they&#039;re a hustler and just trying to get your dollars.  According to what you said, Vibe trapped themselves by wanting to do more than was probable with their low budget.  There was no way out, except to fire that guy and hire someone who costs more, but will actually provide them with well-shot, well-edited content.  If that had been an option, they would have gone that route from the get, so they got what they got.

It&#039;s kind of funny, but mostly pathetic how companies don&#039;t/can&#039;t differentiate between UGC and video commissioned to be produced.  It&#039;s the difference between &quot;America&#039;s Funniest Home Videos&quot; and &quot;Diff&#039;rent Strokes&quot;.  Do NOT try to make a sitcom on a UGC budget.

As far as Fast Company, &lt;a href=&quot;http://tymesaid.com/the-peter-principle-and-fast-company#comment-4313&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robert Scoble said:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Fourth, after we joined up Shelâ€™s sponsor pulled out because of the recession. That was right before we started shooting and that significantly hurt our ablity to hire people (FastCompany made it clear that this effort had to stand on its own two feet and not be subsidized by Fast Company).&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So... No.  Fast Company is NOT going to put money into these video productions, because this is actually a SCOBLE production, which for some reason, FC has agreed to run under their brand name.

He also mentions:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;11th, I funded Shelâ€™s shows out of my own pocket once he lost his sponsor.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, pretty much, we can take Fast Company out of the equation altogether.

I didn&#039;t know this before I wrote my post, so I assumed that a company that would have something under its brand would be PAYING FOR IT, affording them creative control over the product.  It&#039;s even funnier *now* that I entitled this post &quot;you get what you pay for&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment. :)</p>
<p>The first problem with that Vibe situation is not allocating the proper budget to hire people that knew what they were doing.  The second problem is that filming and editing are two entirely different disciplines.  In general, you want to hire ONE shooter and ONE editor, not ONE PERSON to do both.</p>
<p>Also, having a system means nothing.  Hiring a button-pusher is only one step above the content creator learning to edit him/herself.  Quality editing is done by feel and understanding.  You can&#8217;t buy that in a store.  It doesn&#8217;t come standard with a Macbook Pro.  It&#8217;s not included in the FCP instructions.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the more someone claims to be able to do for less money, the more likely it is that they&#8217;re a hustler and just trying to get your dollars.  According to what you said, Vibe trapped themselves by wanting to do more than was probable with their low budget.  There was no way out, except to fire that guy and hire someone who costs more, but will actually provide them with well-shot, well-edited content.  If that had been an option, they would have gone that route from the get, so they got what they got.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of funny, but mostly pathetic how companies don&#8217;t/can&#8217;t differentiate between UGC and video commissioned to be produced.  It&#8217;s the difference between &#8220;America&#8217;s Funniest Home Videos&#8221; and &#8220;Diff&#8217;rent Strokes&#8221;.  Do NOT try to make a sitcom on a UGC budget.</p>
<p>As far as Fast Company, <a href="http://tymesaid.com/the-peter-principle-and-fast-company#comment-4313" rel="nofollow">Robert Scoble said:</a><br />
<blockquote>&#8220;Fourth, after we joined up Shelâ€™s sponsor pulled out because of the recession. That was right before we started shooting and that significantly hurt our ablity to hire people (FastCompany made it clear that this effort had to stand on its own two feet and not be subsidized by Fast Company).&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So&#8230; No.  Fast Company is NOT going to put money into these video productions, because this is actually a SCOBLE production, which for some reason, FC has agreed to run under their brand name.</p>
<p>He also mentions:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;11th, I funded Shelâ€™s shows out of my own pocket once he lost his sponsor.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So, pretty much, we can take Fast Company out of the equation altogether.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know this before I wrote my post, so I assumed that a company that would have something under its brand would be PAYING FOR IT, affording them creative control over the product.  It&#8217;s even funnier *now* that I entitled this post &#8220;you get what you pay for&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: LaLaFuFu dotcom</title>
		<link>http://billcammack.com/2008/04/10/budgeting-for-internet-video/#comment-15839</link>
		<dc:creator>LaLaFuFu dotcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can attest to the challenges in producing video for web. As a former Creative Director for Vibe magazine&#039;s online department during the time of it&#039;s sale, the initiative for web was to be heavy with video from artist and cover shoots. At first we looked for and found a guy who had presented himself as a producer editor. We where initially impressed with his demo reel and the fact that he came with his own Avid system was a plus. Things started out good at first, but having to overlook that your video guy doesn&#039;t bath on the regular and sometimes slept in the office where things that we hadn&#039;t foreseen going into this. The first couple of events I assisted with the camera work and then he took on more of the role by himself. The more video he&#039;d would shoot the more video we&#039;d have in the can waiting to get edited or even placed into the system. The more pressure we&#039;d put on him to deliver the slower the process got until we where forced to sit with him while editing in order to get something out. Vibe Magazine typically had at least 5 - 7 opportunities a month to capture content (Artist QA, Behind the Scenes, Special projects ETC) but due to our camera guy editor being consistently late delivering video (and late to events &amp; shoots) we had to stop him from shooting just to get him to edit video that was already shot. I left Vibe shortly after he was hired and he stayed on with them a total of 8 months after I left. To date the video he shot. maybe 30 whole pieces of it maybe 10 of them has ever seen the light of day. And Vibe today cannot produce any quality video on a consistent basis to save their lives. I see these people&#039;s dilemmas and yes it&#039;s damn hard to be consistent in a no budget situation. I have my own small editing set up now cosisting of Final Cut Studio 2 a Sony V1U HD digital camcorder Senheiser wireless system with all the lights I need. I find that while I want to shoot my own content and edit for web and even though I have a work flow established It&#039;s hard to make time to do these things when they aren&#039;t being monitized which means I either have to do an OK edit of my material because I still have to grind to pay bills. Or it just doesn&#039;t get done at all. So I feel Scoble&#039;s and Mr. israel&#039;s pain. Knowing that FC will most likely not put the required money into these video productions (Scoble has indicated they wanted this done cheap) makes me wonder how long can they continue to run business as usual. These guys may need to scale back tremendously and plan these interviews out a bit more carefully possibly having the interviewee&#039;s come to their locations to cut cost. Consider maybe even doing it bi-weekly. Turn around times for web video are fast paced, not everyone can handle the pressure. If you are familiar with the Video podcast Tikibar those guys just could not deliver the quality of their productions fast enough to meet the need which sucks. Tikibar was brilliant. I wish Scoble &amp; Co. luck because if they fail it&#039;ll be much harder for the next guy to convince companies that this model works.

-tm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can attest to the challenges in producing video for web. As a former Creative Director for Vibe magazine&#8217;s online department during the time of it&#8217;s sale, the initiative for web was to be heavy with video from artist and cover shoots. At first we looked for and found a guy who had presented himself as a producer editor. We where initially impressed with his demo reel and the fact that he came with his own Avid system was a plus. Things started out good at first, but having to overlook that your video guy doesn&#8217;t bath on the regular and sometimes slept in the office where things that we hadn&#8217;t foreseen going into this. The first couple of events I assisted with the camera work and then he took on more of the role by himself. The more video he&#8217;d would shoot the more video we&#8217;d have in the can waiting to get edited or even placed into the system. The more pressure we&#8217;d put on him to deliver the slower the process got until we where forced to sit with him while editing in order to get something out. Vibe Magazine typically had at least 5 &#8211; 7 opportunities a month to capture content (Artist QA, Behind the Scenes, Special projects ETC) but due to our camera guy editor being consistently late delivering video (and late to events &amp; shoots) we had to stop him from shooting just to get him to edit video that was already shot. I left Vibe shortly after he was hired and he stayed on with them a total of 8 months after I left. To date the video he shot. maybe 30 whole pieces of it maybe 10 of them has ever seen the light of day. And Vibe today cannot produce any quality video on a consistent basis to save their lives. I see these people&#8217;s dilemmas and yes it&#8217;s damn hard to be consistent in a no budget situation. I have my own small editing set up now cosisting of Final Cut Studio 2 a Sony V1U HD digital camcorder Senheiser wireless system with all the lights I need. I find that while I want to shoot my own content and edit for web and even though I have a work flow established It&#8217;s hard to make time to do these things when they aren&#8217;t being monitized which means I either have to do an OK edit of my material because I still have to grind to pay bills. Or it just doesn&#8217;t get done at all. So I feel Scoble&#8217;s and Mr. israel&#8217;s pain. Knowing that FC will most likely not put the required money into these video productions (Scoble has indicated they wanted this done cheap) makes me wonder how long can they continue to run business as usual. These guys may need to scale back tremendously and plan these interviews out a bit more carefully possibly having the interviewee&#8217;s come to their locations to cut cost. Consider maybe even doing it bi-weekly. Turn around times for web video are fast paced, not everyone can handle the pressure. If you are familiar with the Video podcast Tikibar those guys just could not deliver the quality of their productions fast enough to meet the need which sucks. Tikibar was brilliant. I wish Scoble &amp; Co. luck because if they fail it&#8217;ll be much harder for the next guy to convince companies that this model works.</p>
<p>-tm</p>
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		<title>By: Tyme White</title>
		<link>http://billcammack.com/2008/04/10/budgeting-for-internet-video/#comment-15772</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyme White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Bill for answering my reader&#039;s questions....and with an article! I appreciate it. I&#039;ll try to keep their questions to a minimum. :)

Very good article. It really helps understand what is involved and how costs add up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Bill for answering my reader&#8217;s questions&#8230;.and with an article! I appreciate it. I&#8217;ll try to keep their questions to a minimum. :)</p>
<p>Very good article. It really helps understand what is involved and how costs add up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cammack</title>
		<link>http://billcammack.com/2008/04/10/budgeting-for-internet-video/#comment-15770</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m watching it now.  I&#039;ll let you know.  I&#039;ve embedded the episode you linked to:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m watching it now.  I&#8217;ll let you know.  I&#8217;ve embedded the episode you linked to:</p>
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