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		<title>By: Bill Cammack</title>
		<link>http://billcammack.com/2009/08/18/dating-above-your-station/#comment-24650</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Justin. :)

As &lt;a href=&quot;http://billcammack.com/2009/08/18/dating-above-your-station/#comment-24605&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve pointed out&lt;/a&gt;, a lot of people can get the impression from what I write and how write it that I can handle all situations.  I can&#039;t. :D

There are some situations you can&#039;t turn around at all, and it&#039;s better to bail and cut your losses.  There are other situations where if you can just make it through a few rough spots, you can end up with both parties recognizing differences betwen them while enjoying and pursuing shared likes and passions.  The way that I&#039;ve found to get through those rough spots is to see them coming and prepare to handle them as gracefully as possible.

In the wine situation, just like you and Frank have suggested, I&#039;m *ALWAYS* &quot;I&#039;ll have what she&#039;s having&quot;.  ALWAYS.  This is because I personally couldn&#039;t care less which wine I drink.  They&#039;re all alcoholic beverages and I&#039;m going to be more drunk after I finish the glass than I was before I started. HIC!  This is also because trying to play it off as if I can handle a situation where someone hands me a wine list is only going to make me look increasingly incompetent.  I don&#039;t know what I&#039;m looking at.  I don&#039;t know what the words mean.  Even if I knew what they meant, I don&#039;t know what each one tastes like.... It&#039;s all downhill.  Skip it.  &quot;I&#039;ll have what she&#039;s having&quot;.

The way I would describe it is like being in a boat in a storm.  The storm can be really bad, and scary, but you know that the boat can survive it... IF you do important things at important times.  This is why you need to &quot;hold your head&quot;, because if you don&#039;t do those things, the boat sinks, with you on it.  If you DO them... Your boat&#039;s gonna look like TRASH when you get back to port.... but you&#039;ll GET BACK TO PORT!, Capisce? :D

I&#039;d rather take a few shorts and look like trash in some areas where I never claimed to have expertise and keep my mind right for when the ball comes back into MY court and it&#039;s time for me to do what I do, which&#039;ll remind her why she&#039;s spending time with me in the first place. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Justin. :)</p>
<p>As <a href="http://billcammack.com/2009/08/18/dating-above-your-station/#comment-24605" rel="nofollow">Steve pointed out</a>, a lot of people can get the impression from what I write and how write it that I can handle all situations.  I can&#8217;t. :D</p>
<p>There are some situations you can&#8217;t turn around at all, and it&#8217;s better to bail and cut your losses.  There are other situations where if you can just make it through a few rough spots, you can end up with both parties recognizing differences betwen them while enjoying and pursuing shared likes and passions.  The way that I&#8217;ve found to get through those rough spots is to see them coming and prepare to handle them as gracefully as possible.</p>
<p>In the wine situation, just like you and Frank have suggested, I&#8217;m *ALWAYS* &#8220;I&#8217;ll have what she&#8217;s having&#8221;.  ALWAYS.  This is because I personally couldn&#8217;t care less which wine I drink.  They&#8217;re all alcoholic beverages and I&#8217;m going to be more drunk after I finish the glass than I was before I started. HIC!  This is also because trying to play it off as if I can handle a situation where someone hands me a wine list is only going to make me look increasingly incompetent.  I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m looking at.  I don&#8217;t know what the words mean.  Even if I knew what they meant, I don&#8217;t know what each one tastes like&#8230;. It&#8217;s all downhill.  Skip it.  &#8220;I&#8217;ll have what she&#8217;s having&#8221;.</p>
<p>The way I would describe it is like being in a boat in a storm.  The storm can be really bad, and scary, but you know that the boat can survive it&#8230; IF you do important things at important times.  This is why you need to &#8220;hold your head&#8221;, because if you don&#8217;t do those things, the boat sinks, with you on it.  If you DO them&#8230; Your boat&#8217;s gonna look like TRASH when you get back to port&#8230;. but you&#8217;ll GET BACK TO PORT!, Capisce? :D</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather take a few shorts and look like trash in some areas where I never claimed to have expertise and keep my mind right for when the ball comes back into MY court and it&#8217;s time for me to do what I do, which&#8217;ll remind her why she&#8217;s spending time with me in the first place. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Justin C.</title>
		<link>http://billcammack.com/2009/08/18/dating-above-your-station/#comment-24644</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, that was a kick-ass post.  Truth be told I was deeply impressed and I also felt empathy for you.  Impressed because the point, &quot;...remember who you are.&quot; is f&#039;ing brilliant.  I would call it &quot;owning&quot; who you are but whatever.  This is who I f&#039;ing am and being totally proud of it and not letting someone or some situation out-impress you.  I felt empathy because only know a little bit about wine and food and it&#039;s really fun sometimes to go to a nice restaurant and order a really nice glass of wine that goes with a certain dish.  I usually tell a waiter, &quot;say, what wines do you have that are on the sweeter side versus the dry side.  I&#039;ve got a sweet tooth&quot;

Going with knowing who you are, and being proud of that, after your hind-sight 20/20, and then being in your situation, I might have said with a big smile, lots joy, &quot;wow...you know I almost never go to places like this thank you I&#039;m so excited to be here.  What do you recommend?&quot;  And then go on to bring the conversation to where you know what&#039;s what and you can turn her on to that.

Thankfully, in the past few years, I&#039;ve been squired to a handful of extremely high-class parties and tuxedoed, sit-down dinners, and I can tell you it&#039;s f&#039;ing boring.  Most of the people with sh*tloads of money are either really obnoxious or totally boring zombies.  The one tip I can give you is, if you ever get whisked to Sutton Place or the Hamptons and you&#039;re at a party introducing yourself, clearly state your first and last name.

Again, great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, that was a kick-ass post.  Truth be told I was deeply impressed and I also felt empathy for you.  Impressed because the point, &#8220;&#8230;remember who you are.&#8221; is f&#8217;ing brilliant.  I would call it &#8220;owning&#8221; who you are but whatever.  This is who I f&#8217;ing am and being totally proud of it and not letting someone or some situation out-impress you.  I felt empathy because only know a little bit about wine and food and it&#8217;s really fun sometimes to go to a nice restaurant and order a really nice glass of wine that goes with a certain dish.  I usually tell a waiter, &#8220;say, what wines do you have that are on the sweeter side versus the dry side.  I&#8217;ve got a sweet tooth&#8221;</p>
<p>Going with knowing who you are, and being proud of that, after your hind-sight 20/20, and then being in your situation, I might have said with a big smile, lots joy, &#8220;wow&#8230;you know I almost never go to places like this thank you I&#8217;m so excited to be here.  What do you recommend?&#8221;  And then go on to bring the conversation to where you know what&#8217;s what and you can turn her on to that.</p>
<p>Thankfully, in the past few years, I&#8217;ve been squired to a handful of extremely high-class parties and tuxedoed, sit-down dinners, and I can tell you it&#8217;s f&#8217;ing boring.  Most of the people with sh*tloads of money are either really obnoxious or totally boring zombies.  The one tip I can give you is, if you ever get whisked to Sutton Place or the Hamptons and you&#8217;re at a party introducing yourself, clearly state your first and last name.</p>
<p>Again, great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cammack</title>
		<link>http://billcammack.com/2009/08/18/dating-above-your-station/#comment-24608</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks man.  Glad you enjoyed! :D

It&#039;s an interesting topic you bring up.  I find it extremely hard to do both at the same time.  I either go into a situation to have a good time or to put in work.  Once I get to know a chick well enough and we&#039;re used to each other, *THEN* I can just relax and do whatever.  The way I see it, due diligence in the beginning of the &quot;relationship&quot; pays dividends during the mid-game and end-game.

But, Yeah.. Under normal circumstances, guys should definitely strive to enjoy themselves as much as possible instead of seeing the date as merely a work assignment, attempting to lock down a chick.

haha And no, I&#039;m not the Sean Connery of NYC.  I have my elements, areas and arenas where I *AM* Sean Connery and no chicks can %&amp;$# with me AT. ALL. in those areas.  That&#039;s where I go to clear my head out.

I can&#039;t afford to get caught slippin&#039;. :)  Just about every chick I was in contact with at the time advised me to go see Vanilla Sky when it came out.  haha They were all like &quot;See it TODAY!&quot; :D

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That was one of the very few movies I watched in a theater as opposed to on DVD or cable.  It was a great movie, and for me, crazy relevant hahaha

Anyway.. The win isn&#039;t in always being cool.. It&#039;s in knowing how to pull yourself out of that spiraling nosedive and still make it happen! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks man.  Glad you enjoyed! :D</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting topic you bring up.  I find it extremely hard to do both at the same time.  I either go into a situation to have a good time or to put in work.  Once I get to know a chick well enough and we&#8217;re used to each other, *THEN* I can just relax and do whatever.  The way I see it, due diligence in the beginning of the &#8220;relationship&#8221; pays dividends during the mid-game and end-game.</p>
<p>But, Yeah.. Under normal circumstances, guys should definitely strive to enjoy themselves as much as possible instead of seeing the date as merely a work assignment, attempting to lock down a chick.</p>
<p>haha And no, I&#8217;m not the Sean Connery of NYC.  I have my elements, areas and arenas where I *AM* Sean Connery and no chicks can %&#038;$# with me AT. ALL. in those areas.  That&#8217;s where I go to clear my head out.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t afford to get caught slippin&#8217;. :)  Just about every chick I was in contact with at the time advised me to go see Vanilla Sky when it came out.  haha They were all like &#8220;See it TODAY!&#8221; :D</p>
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<p>That was one of the very few movies I watched in a theater as opposed to on DVD or cable.  It was a great movie, and for me, crazy relevant hahaha</p>
<p>Anyway.. The win isn&#8217;t in always being cool.. It&#8217;s in knowing how to pull yourself out of that spiraling nosedive and still make it happen! :D</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://billcammack.com/2009/08/18/dating-above-your-station/#comment-24605</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I laughed and then I cried while laughing.  I &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt; this post... here I was thinking that Bill was the Sean Connery of NYC!      
Some great finishing thoughts though: &quot;Dudes get so SPRUNG to hang out with a chick that they just let any old thing pass as acceptable, and they donâ€™t realize that theyâ€™re cheapening their own experience and making it harder for them to show the lady a good time. &quot;  - OR for the dude to have a good time.  First and foremost &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; am out to have a good time.   I know that when I&#039;m in [your favorite bird of prey here] mode, I&#039;m usually compromising on what a fun evening means to me.  Trying too hard to impress and sometimes working way too hard to be entertaining.  Yeah, the chick has an expensive meal and/or laughs all night but all I wind up with is a feeling of being drained.  Which is avoidable.  Go someplace you would normally go to.  Fancy pants places or someplace new is for special people, meaning somewhere beyond date 2 and prior to presenting the fifth &quot;special friends&quot; ring you bought that week.  More importantly, pick a place with solid service so you&#039;re both not bitchin&#039; instead of flirting (Popeye&#039;s for Bill), and for date purposes don&#039;t go out with someone you already know you have nothing in common with unless you&#039;ve got some heavy physical vibe going.  Don&#039;t matter how hot they are, it&#039;s gonna be a snooze fest night otherwise and someone&#039;s not getting called back.
Word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laughed and then I cried while laughing.  I <b>love</b> this post&#8230; here I was thinking that Bill was the Sean Connery of NYC!<br />
Some great finishing thoughts though: &#8220;Dudes get so SPRUNG to hang out with a chick that they just let any old thing pass as acceptable, and they donâ€™t realize that theyâ€™re cheapening their own experience and making it harder for them to show the lady a good time. &#8221;  &#8211; OR for the dude to have a good time.  First and foremost <b>I</b> am out to have a good time.   I know that when I&#8217;m in [your favorite bird of prey here] mode, I&#8217;m usually compromising on what a fun evening means to me.  Trying too hard to impress and sometimes working way too hard to be entertaining.  Yeah, the chick has an expensive meal and/or laughs all night but all I wind up with is a feeling of being drained.  Which is avoidable.  Go someplace you would normally go to.  Fancy pants places or someplace new is for special people, meaning somewhere beyond date 2 and prior to presenting the fifth &#8220;special friends&#8221; ring you bought that week.  More importantly, pick a place with solid service so you&#8217;re both not bitchin&#8217; instead of flirting (Popeye&#8217;s for Bill), and for date purposes don&#8217;t go out with someone you already know you have nothing in common with unless you&#8217;ve got some heavy physical vibe going.  Don&#8217;t matter how hot they are, it&#8217;s gonna be a snooze fest night otherwise and someone&#8217;s not getting called back.<br />
Word.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, this is the problem with my non-typing skillsâ€¦

When I said ask her for her opinion, I meant thats a pretty good way to get some of that menu pointed out to you. If you throw in a lil â€œcatch of the day/salmonâ€, it narrows it down even further at which point you could have stopped at the appetizer and the beer(zzzzzzzzz)â€¦ You get what you want, have her thinking you give a damn about her opinion-potential for a submisive evening, er ooops, potential for a good time increases. See, theres more to my thoughts than i can type!! lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, this is the problem with my non-typing skillsâ€¦</p>
<p>When I said ask her for her opinion, I meant thats a pretty good way to get some of that menu pointed out to you. If you throw in a lil â€œcatch of the day/salmonâ€, it narrows it down even further at which point you could have stopped at the appetizer and the beer(zzzzzzzzz)â€¦ You get what you want, have her thinking you give a damn about her opinion-potential for a submisive evening, er ooops, potential for a good time increases. See, theres more to my thoughts than i can type!! lol</p>
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